Lets Root Cause the Detriment of Class Racing

[Bobby Fazio]

Join the show and voice your suggestions. I will send you a link to join. Tuesday at Noon EDT.

[SBillinson]

There's beauty in simplicity.

For super stock.

1. Twelve classes. Weight per HP. 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10,10-11, 11-12, 12-13, 13-14, SS/AS, SS/BS, SS/CS
2. Eliminations based on index. No dials.
3. Weight break for automatics.
4. Weight break for pre-80's cars.
5. Weight break for non-FWD conversions.
6. Adjust HP up and down until parity established, including FSS.

For those who say that It'll push people away, my answer would be why bother competing in a performance based class if you want to bracket race?

My car's about 0.7 under in good air. I drive a Ford. With a 20-year old engine. In Modified.

I'm working on my combination one part at a time. I have no intention of running out and buying $12K cylinder heads when I haven't even figured out what my existing combination wants. I would gladly take the losses in the proposal above until I can compete with cars at the top of the class.

[Mike Volkman]

Spoke to NHRA California. They have no plans to abandon tear downs on 1.20 under runs or random selections as they deem necessary. Their goal is to support class racing. Volkman

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SDS Inc

Their goal is to support class racing.

Well THAT'S GREAT! A little thin on details though.

[Mike Volkman]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Well THAT'S GREAT! A little thin on details though.

Billy - did you not have your morning coffee yet

What were you looking for? I'm thinking same as what they have been doing with the 1.20 and then spot checking - both that have been done this year. They even have been looking at grids etc in sc and sg

[Billy Nees]

Hey, no offense to you, it's just always the same old drone.
There have been many different suggestions and ideas tossed around on this thread alone and we get crickets.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SDS Inc

They even have been looking at grids etc in sc and sg

That's a start! When are they going to start looking at grids and data loggers in S/SS? It's about time to start "collecting" ignition boxes and tachometers too.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by SBillinson

There's beauty in simplicity.

For super stock.

1. Twelve classes. Weight per HP. 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10,10-11, 11-12, 12-13, 13-14, SS/AS, SS/BS, SS/CS
2. Eliminations based on index. No dials.
3. Weight break for automatics.
4. Weight break for pre-80's cars.
5. Weight break for non-FWD conversions.
6. Adjust HP up and down until parity established, including FSS.

For those who say that It'll push people away, my answer would be why bother competing in a performance based class if you want to bracket race?

My car's about 0.7 under in good air. I drive a Ford. With a 20-year old engine. In Modified.

I'm working on my combination one part at a time. I have no intention of running out and buying $12K cylinder heads when I haven't even figured out what my existing combination wants. I would gladly take the losses in the proposal above until I can compete with cars at the top of the class.

That would pretty much kill the class. The HP adjustments would come way too slow and would never keep up. The faster and under factored combos would rule. I cant imagine you would keep going to races if you have absolutely no chance to win. Not everyone in Stock and Super Stock is a millionaire and can spend big bucks to race.
Participation is still good right now despite the high fuel cost. Look at St Louis last weekend. big car count. Most nationals reach their quotas very quickly and there is always racers on here begging to get an entry to nationals. Most divisionals are pretty well attended if scheduled properly. I am not seeing much wrong with our classes right now. Hurting the guys at the bottom half of the Q sheet is not the way to grow the classes.

Personally I think the modified cars should be running in comp but I would never push for that change.

[B Parker]

All the new AHFS has done was make it easier to go as fast as you want to and still have the rest of the year to get your average down. I still have a problem when people talk about all these combo's that are underrated as if there are hundreds of them. I just looked at Indy. It has a pretty good representation of different combo's. In Stock out of the 151 cars how many are underrated ? BP

[SBillinson]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

That would pretty much kill the class. The HP adjustments would come way too slow and would never keep up. The faster and under factored combos would rule. I cant imagine you would keep going to races if you have absolutely no chance to win. Not everyone in Stock and Super Stock is a millionaire and can spend big bucks to race.
Participation is still good right now despite the high fuel cost. Look at St Louis last weekend. big car count. Most nationals reach their quotas very quickly and there is always racers on here begging to get an entry to nationals. Most divisionals are pretty well attended if scheduled properly. I am not seeing much wrong with our classes right now. Hurting the guys at the bottom half of the Q sheet is not the way to grow the classes.

Personally I think the modified cars should be running in comp but I would never push for that change.

It's a proposal to make the class more competitive. It's not the only proposal. There are way too many classes and not enough performance-based competition. Performance is confined to class eliminations and the occasional heads-up run.

The current situation is akin to the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. I need to work hard on my combination and not just throw money at it. There are lots of guys going way fast who don't have all the bells and whistles seen on the cars in the millionaire's club.

I agree that Modified should be taken out of SS. The only reason I included it is they're already part of the class and not enough of them to run on their own. Given the present state of the class, it would be hard to justify taking them out unless NHRA also took out FSS, GT and FWD conversions. That would really kill the class.