Mustang MPH?

[Evan Smith]

Jim,

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I tire of speculation and inaccurate data as fact. I now see what you mean, and it makes sense.

Maybe NHRA will change the rule, maybe they won't. But as of now you can run any pulleys. Since I am moving to Florida later this year we can have a beer and chat about all this crap.

Evan

[bsa633]

This is not really just about the new CJ's,..sure..this time around "Fordguys" and people that may have a something at stake in it (carbuilders etc.) has been some of the ones defending this...next time it could be anythimg new from Mopar or even GM(even though the economy says different)and others would "cheer" for the "new product"...It's great that new cars are getting in and i hope that more will follow ..but i think we all should set "sportsmanship" first when we think and talk about all this..is it fair to all us racers to get this treatment...new cars that just comes in and blow the competition away "at first glance"? NHRA's probably has some reasons for doing it like this though..hard to do anything about that(and probably lol at us on these boards)..and maybe it's the only reason factory's would show interest if they can go out and be fast with new products right off the bat..thats why i think they should have a class by themself...atleast until they are brought within some reason...

[Jim Wahl]

Evan, harsh? Nah, your just a good soldier for your cause. I have been accused of the same thing once or twice! As for the "any pulley", nope not supercharger pulleys. Water pump, alternator, or idler pulleys yes. almost all tech guys know about the old supercharger ruling. Wanna bet? Would you believe Travis? Go ahead and call Danny, if he'll take my call he certainly will take yours! I would love to sit down with you after your move down here. Where are you planning on living? Jim

[Jeff Lee]

Granted, people are allowed to change their minds and evolve with new times & ideas, but back in the mid-'90's when I ran my AF/S turbo FWD Danny Gracia was VERY clear in one of our conversations that supercharger pulleys were something that MUST remain as delivered from the factory. I always found it ironic to have that position yet not concerned about turbo boost requlations.

[Dinsdale]

Another unsubstantuated rumour, but I heard they have burnt out two sets of brake light bulbs. The 1/8th and 1/4 MPH don't jive. I am a Ford guy but also think this deal smells. I'm happy they are out there but it sure has to be frustrating to the guys who have worked so long and hard to get where they have, only to be run over by a factory backed race car. JMO!!!

[bill dedman]

Evan Smith said, relative to the horsepower output of the new CJ's:
"Everyone knows this, so who cares if it is 650, 750 or 850?"
Who cares, indeed.......

I'd bet that anyone who has spent the last 4 or 5 years and upwards of $60,000 building a competitive A or AA Stock car cares very much, as they may be looking over at one of thse rockets in the other lane for a heads up race, possibly in a final round, for the money.

Who cares? Anybody who has to race one heads up, I would think.

From the performance potential that has been demonstrated so far by these cars, it seems to me that unless NHRA wants to institute a new Stock class (AAA/S?) at 7, or even 6.5 pounds per factored horsepower, these cars rightfully belong in Super Stock, because they're obviously capable operating way outside the present-day, accepted, parameters of AA/S and AA/SA.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

I'd bet that anyone who has spent the last 4 or 5 years and upwards of $60,000 building a competitive A or AA Stock car cares very much, as they may be looking over at one of thse rockets in the other lane for a heads up race, possibly in a final round, for the money.

This has been going on for years in the lower classes. That is how we ended up with the Fuel Injected classes for a while. It costs a lot of money to build a late model Stocker too.

Who cares? Anybody who has to race one heads up, I would think.

True, but we have yet to see one of these cars in a heads-up run. They are already showing a little, so I really don't think that it will be long before they get some HP.

From the performance potential that has been demonstrated so far by these cars, it seems to me that unless NHRA wants to institute a new Stock class (AAA/S?) at 7, or even 6.5 pounds per factored horsepower, these cars rightfully belong in Super Stock, because they're obviously capable operating way outside the present-day, accepted, parameters of AA/S and AA/SA.

Why would a car manufacturer want to build a new AA Stocker that couldn't out run a car built in 1969? It would make zero sense. If these cars can run what everyone predicts they will get HP. We may even get a new class, but we haven't seen anything to warrant that yet.


And yes. I do have a dog in this hunt.

[Bruce Noland]

Bill,
A lot of us care about the Horsepower on these CJs. These CJs are really neat race cars but it was not a good idea to impose them on Stock. After just two races they have displayed great power and game changing potential. The supporters of this car keep moving the goal posts and I guess they will keep that up until we all grow tired and weary of the subject. In a way these cars coming into Stock is like discovering A Rod has been taking steroids. In fact that would be a good name for them - A Rods.

Gump,
Did you give up your IHRA crate motor car for a nhra AA car?

[Smitty]

I guess you guys want NHRA to break the classes out again, seems to me when the Fuel Injected GM cars came on the scene they kicking a@# and taking names but I don't remember this much of fuss.
From what I can see this car was built with off the shelf stuff, and yes it has great potential.
Why can't you guys let the AHFS do it's job, it will only be a matter of time before these god forsaken vehicles destroy themseleves then after that happens all the GM owners will be happy.
IMHO I think had this been a new Camaro running these numbers it wouldn't be nearly as much fuss. '
Heavens, if that new Challenger runs low tens the class racing world just might come to an end.
Chevy's rule the roost in a majority of NHRA classes, can some other makes dominate for once, just a little while before we are factored out?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Gump,
Did you give up your IHRA crate motor car for a nhra AA car?

I have been racing a 1995 fuel injected Firebird in Stock that I purchased new for that purpose. I currently run it as a 1998 A/FIA car in IHRA and will probably run some Division 2 NHRA stuff this year if my schedule permits. I also had a 1999 Camaro that I raced as a 1998 LT1 car for a few years. I also have another 1998 Firebird that some of the local Church kids are going to campaign in A/FIA. My only attempt at a crate motor was killed by an IHRA rule change that outlawed my combination before I ever got it finished. The project that I am working on now is for AA.