Yet another bogu horsepower factor

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by r sledge

Just wanted to say that I've known Greg Hill for quite a few years and they don't come any better, straighter or helpful than he. Don't know you and your boy, am sure you are just "good old boys" having fun with a new toy, but I don't think you understand or can appreciate what Greg and racers like him have gone through the last 20 years or so and it just makes it a little hard to try an swallow all the BOGUS hp/combo's that people can go and buy and that NHRA lets it happen.

You earn respect you don't buy it.

Later RJ

I second everything RJ just posted. Greg has poured his heart and soul into this sport. He even tried to work through the SRAC to help us out and, in doing so, gained first hand knowledge about the deaf ear of nhra. He has paid his dues and done his home work.

[Jim Wahl]

Here, here! RJ and Bruce have nailed this one! Jim

[Mark Yacavone]

I agree with the last three posts ,too
Listen here , some of you newbies and returning racers (no names mentioned)

Guys like Greg Hill and Mike Walter have been severely beaten up by NHRA's lack of competence for the last 15 years. One could argue that the FI , high tech cars caught them by surprise , and they eventually dealt with it.

Not this time though...

I'll save some of you the trouble of replying now.
For the record ,I'm not against new cars or progress. I remember the 50 Oldes being replaced by the Tri 5 Chevies, which were ,in turn, were obsoleted by the 1st gen. Camaros.
Such changes are inevitable.

What's going on now, is totally different .
NHRA knows exactly what they are doing.
This current crop of minimum run, special built factory ringers, kit cars , and way bogus rated combos in Stock Eliminator is a travesty and totally inexcusable.
Once again, it shows what they think of the MAJORITY of racers.

[Greg Hill]

Aw shucks RJ, I didn't know you cared.

[RJ Sledge]

Calm down Greg was just stating what most already know. I know how you feel about the HP/Combo's and well........it just don't taste real good.
Like you and most others, I am not opposed to the new cars, I welcome them. What I don't understand or like is the down right ridiculous hp ratings on these cars and engines. They seem to be sending us a message and its not what I want to hear. The people with the money to spend on the new cars do not have a clue or just do not care to see the other side of the issue. I cannot blame them on one hand for wanting to have a killer combo, just pony up the money and you have a Class winner, but on the other hand it like stealing our money when you have to run one in Class. I just don't understand NHRA's thinking on this and I for one agree with you about just staying away from National Events this year and see what happens.

My best to you and your family

Later RJ

[Jeff Teuton]

Clueless? RJ, from you that is a compliment.

[RJ Sledge]

Hey Jeff your welcome!

Really you fit more in the second part of the sentence. How quick one forgets about being on the outside looking in. I can remember in the old days how you loved to bash all the "paper cars", and now you are one. LOL.

Like I said I welcome all the new cars and engine combos, too bad NHRA did not do the rightful thing concerning HP rating.

PS Please stay in H/SA with that animal, at F weight you can probably run in the 9's.

See you soon

Later RJ

[NewHemi]

I have no issue with Greg Hill, other than his telling us we are full of crap.

As for having been through the wars, I completely respect that, and with all of the other guys I respect standing tall for him, I can understand what is being said.

But in my opinion, bad manners and name calling just don't make a point as clearly as directing comments to the issues...

As to the points being discussed; Are the current HP factors fair... we have admitted as other have, that they probably are not.. But what are we supposed to do???? Everyone looks for a favorably factored car to run. We just happened to have one already.. And we are working to move to an even more favorable rating with the 5.7. And we have no misconception that you just have to find a good combo and ride it forever into the sunset. We know it takes work to keep competitive, and I respect those who have done the same over time.

Maybe it is because I am new here, but can you tell me how calling us names, and telling us that we don't know what we are talking about helps anyone with the NHRA and the current factoring system??

If we don't know what we are talking about, then tell us where we have erred.

I may be slow and old, but I am still trainable...

So be specific and tell us where and why we are wrong, and maybe it will serve a better purpose than calling names.

We know that we stand on the shoulders of giants in this sport. We are not, as some seem to believe, totally new to drag racing. And we are far from new to engine building... But like most honest men, we are willing to admit that we don't know everything, and we may never know it all. But we do know a bit. We don't want to be at odds with anyone here or anywhere else, but when attacked without justification, we will tend to defend. ....Unless we are totally wrong, and then we will man up and admit it.

Was I wrong to call out Greg Hill for name calling? Just because he is an experienced racer and has been on the wrong end of the stick with the NHRA? I do feel for the guys who are looking down the wrong end of the NHRA gun... But again I ask what am I supposed to do? And how much good does name calling do?

So let's start over. I won't, and so far I haven't, called Greg names...And if he chooses to call us names, we simply will not respond.

I am not asking for respect. I have spent my whole life earning respect in the my chosen vocation, and my chosen hobbies... If you respect us, and some here do, then so be it. But if you do not respect us, then so be it too.

We aren't here to battle. We are here to learn, and to share what we already know. If you think we are full of crap, then just ignore what we say. That seems easy enough..

David
The New Hemi Guy

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by NewHemi

I have no issue with Greg Hill, other than his telling us we are full of crap.

As for having been through the wars, I completely respect that, and with all of the other guys I respect standing tall for him, I can understand what is being said.

But in my opinion, bad manners and name calling just don't make a point as clearly as directing comments to the issues...

As to the points being discussed; Are the current HP factors fair... we have admitted as other have, that they probably are not.. But what are we supposed to do???? Everyone looks for a favorably factored car to run. We just happened to have one already.. And we are working to move to an even more favorable rating with the 5.7. And we have no misconception that you just have to find a good combo and ride it forever into the sunset. We know it takes work to keep competitive, and I respect those who have done the same over time.

Maybe it is because I am new here, but can you tell me how calling us names, and telling us that we don't know what we are talking about helps anyone with the NHRA and the current factoring system??

If we don't know what we are talking about, then tell us where we have erred.

I may be slow and old, but I am still trainable...

So be specific and tell us where and why we are wrong, and maybe it will serve a better purpose than calling names.

We know that we stand on the shoulders of giants in this sport. We are not, as some seem to believe, totally new to drag racing. And we are far from new to engine building... But like most honest men, we are willing to admit that we don't know everything, and we may never know it all. But we do know a bit. We don't want to be at odds with anyone here or anywhere else, but when attacked without justification, we will tend to defend. ....Unless we are totally wrong, and then we will man up and admit it.

Was I wrong to call out Greg Hill for name calling? Just because he is an experienced racer and has been on the wrong end of the stick with the NHRA? I do feel for the guys who are looking down the wrong end of the NHRA gun... But again I ask what am I supposed to do? And how much good does name calling do?

So let's start over. I won't, and so far I haven't, called Greg names...And if chooses to call us names, we simply will not respond.

I am not asking for respect. I have spent my whole life earning respect in the my chosen vocation, and my chosen hobbies... If you respect us, and some here do, then so be it. But if you do not respect us, then so be it too.

We aren't here to battle. We are here to learn, and to share what we already know. If you think we are full of crap, then just ignore what we say. That seems easy enough..

David
The New Hemi Guy

David,
I don't believe anyone knows who you are. Why don't you use your full name?

[NewHemi]

No problem..

It is David D. Wertman

I live in Akron Ohio. Born and raised in Ohio, with stints of living in Pittsburgh Pa, Chicago, Ill, LA, and the Washington DC area. And those who don't know me by my name there, know me by face and my cars.

New Hemi is my License plate on the 2008 SRT8. I use it because I identify with it.

David
The New Hemi Guy