Driver changes - Page 2

Chuck Beach · 07-22-2009, 06:04 AM

I guess there must be an NHRA version and an IHRA version. My understanding under NHRA for a national event you had to make a driver change before you got your credentials, thus running the correct competition number on your car when qualifying and racing. Once qualified that was it. At divisionals I have no idea what the rule is. Seems like they make them up as they go along ...

Bobby DiDomenico · 07-22-2009, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Yes this did actually occur, that's why i'm asking, how it got done. Joe

Joe,

Without actually knowing who/where, this is a moot point and it will happen again!

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-22-2009, 06:47 AM

Yes, Billy this is my point, the ladder was changed to suit the circumstances. There were fewer cars on it than registered in the race. I'm happy for Pete, just not so impressed with the way it was handled. And yes I took my concern to the race director and was told that THEY decided it was to be done that way because of a GREY area in the rule book. My rule book seems to be a misprint cause it's in black and white. Now I don't really look at the qualifying sheets too much other than to see how many cars there are I just run my junk as hard as I can and what ever happens - happens I'm not smart enough to try and put my stuff in a certain spot. Just think this was a bad decicion made in haste, without regard to how it affected the rest of the racers. Joe

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-22-2009, 07:22 AM

I guess this wouldn't bother me so much, but last fall at the Osceola points race I stood in the lanes watching 4 cars left, one was missing I heard them at least 3 times make a call out for the missing car, finally they went ahead and ran the round. the one car was waved on to make a single which he did, about the time he left the line here comes his opponent. The missing driver jumped out and began yelling at the officials then ran straight for the tower. Not long after this they had a rerun for this guy and he won the round. Hey if you're late to the lanes you're just late sorry about your luck. Now I watched as the 2 IHRA officials told the racer sorry you were late, then they got overruled by someone in the tower, now that is not right, the officials call on sight should stand. Of course there are always some exceptions but being late for a round of eliminations is pretty cut and dry to me. Joe

Real Racer · 07-22-2009, 10:01 PM

This actually pretty disturbing if you think about it.

SS round qualifying:

GRAND BEND, Ont. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.583 10.70 -1.117
2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092
3 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000
4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.151 11.15 -0.999
5 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990
6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.563 11.55 -0.987
7 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.623 11.60 -0.977
8 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.902 10.85 -0.948
9 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.915 10.85 -0.935
10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.570 10.50 -0.930
11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.578 10.50 -0.922
12 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.337 10.20 -0.863
13 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.912 11.75 -0.838
14 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835
15 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.233 10.05 -0.817
16 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.999 10.80 -0.801
17 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.053 10.85 -0.797
18 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.471 10.25 -0.779
19 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.061 10.80 -0.739
20 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.511 10.25 -0.739
21 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.735 12.45 -0.715
22 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689
23 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.122 10.80 -0.678
24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546
25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.208 9.70 -0.492
26 1 SS/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '98 Grand Am 9.482 9.95 -0.468
27 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.484 10.95 -0.466
28 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.671 11.10 -0.429
29 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.995 11.35 -0.355
30 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.343 10.65 -0.307
31 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.706 9.90 -0.194
32 3474 SS/AM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.288 9.42 -0.132
33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.346 11.30 0.046

Real Racer · 07-22-2009, 10:04 PM

Then round 4 final.

GRAND BEND, Ont. - Final order after 4 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.529 10.70 -1.171
2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092
3 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.775 10.85 -1.075
4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.086 11.15 -1.064
5 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.550 11.60 -1.050
6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.517 11.55 -1.033
7 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.843 10.85 -1.007
8 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000
9 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990
10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.528 10.50 -0.972
11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.537 10.50 -0.963
12 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.860 11.75 -0.890
13 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.319 10.20 -0.881
14 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.954 10.80 -0.846
15 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.014 10.85 -0.836
16 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835
17 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.216 10.05 -0.834
18 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.446 10.25 -0.804
19 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.456 10.25 -0.794
20 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.025 10.80 -0.775
21 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.047 10.80 -0.753
22 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.708 12.45 -0.742
23 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689
24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546
25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.174 9.70 -0.526
26 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.462 10.95 -0.488
27 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.635 11.10 -0.465
28 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.904 11.35 -0.446
29 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.247 10.65 -0.403
30 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.652 9.90 -0.248
31 1 SS/AM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.239 9.42 -0.181
32 337 GT/BA D.J. Raiser, Lancaster NY, '80 Olds 10.447 10.55 -0.103
33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.244 11.30 -0.056

Real Racer · 07-23-2009, 08:31 PM

2009 IHRA Rulebook Revisions and Clarifications

7/23/09

p. 114 Changing cars or classes: Add the following at the end of the second paragraph: No competition vehicle may be used by more than one person during an event. If a competitor wishes to change to a different vehicle, it must be a new entry and not one that has been previously qualified by a different driver.

07-22-2009, 06:04 AM	#1
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Driver changes I guess there must be an NHRA version and an IHRA version. My understanding under NHRA for a national event you had to make a driver change before you got your credentials, thus running the correct competition number on your car when qualifying and racing. Once qualified that was it. At divisionals I have no idea what the rule is. Seems like they make them up as they go along ... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

07-22-2009, 06:47 AM	#3
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Driver changes Yes, Billy this is my point, the ladder was changed to suit the circumstances. There were fewer cars on it than registered in the race. I'm happy for Pete, just not so impressed with the way it was handled. And yes I took my concern to the race director and was told that THEY decided it was to be done that way because of a GREY area in the rule book. My rule book seems to be a misprint cause it's in black and white. Now I don't really look at the qualifying sheets too much other than to see how many cars there are I just run my junk as hard as I can and what ever happens - happens I'm not smart enough to try and put my stuff in a certain spot. Just think this was a bad decicion made in haste, without regard to how it affected the rest of the racers. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-22-2009, 07:22 AM	#4
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Driver changes I guess this wouldn't bother me so much, but last fall at the Osceola points race I stood in the lanes watching 4 cars left, one was missing I heard them at least 3 times make a call out for the missing car, finally they went ahead and ran the round. the one car was waved on to make a single which he did, about the time he left the line here comes his opponent. The missing driver jumped out and began yelling at the officials then ran straight for the tower. Not long after this they had a rerun for this guy and he won the round. Hey if you're late to the lanes you're just late sorry about your luck. Now I watched as the 2 IHRA officials told the racer sorry you were late, then they got overruled by someone in the tower, now that is not right, the officials call on sight should stand. Of course there are always some exceptions but being late for a round of eliminations is pretty cut and dry to me. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

07-22-2009, 10:01 PM	#5
Real Racer Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Driver changes This actually pretty disturbing if you think about it. SS round qualifying: GRAND BEND, Ont. - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals: Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.583 10.70 -1.117 2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092 3 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000 4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.151 11.15 -0.999 5 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990 6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.563 11.55 -0.987 7 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.623 11.60 -0.977 8 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.902 10.85 -0.948 9 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.915 10.85 -0.935 10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.570 10.50 -0.930 11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.578 10.50 -0.922 12 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.337 10.20 -0.863 13 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.912 11.75 -0.838 14 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835 15 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.233 10.05 -0.817 16 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.999 10.80 -0.801 17 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.053 10.85 -0.797 18 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.471 10.25 -0.779 19 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.061 10.80 -0.739 20 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.511 10.25 -0.739 21 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.735 12.45 -0.715 22 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689 23 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.122 10.80 -0.678 24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546 25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.208 9.70 -0.492 26 1 SS/CM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '98 Grand Am 9.482 9.95 -0.468 27 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.484 10.95 -0.466 28 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.671 11.10 -0.429 29 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.995 11.35 -0.355 30 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.343 10.65 -0.307 31 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.706 9.90 -0.194 32 3474 SS/AM Bob Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.288 9.42 -0.132 33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.346 11.30 0.046

07-22-2009, 10:04 PM	#6
Real Racer Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Driver changes Then round 4 final. GRAND BEND, Ont. - Final order after 4 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the 2009 Nitro Jam Drag Racing Series, Mopar Canadian Nationals: Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 1 3290 GT/CA Richard Mowat, Kitchener ON, '00 Firebird 9.529 10.70 -1.171 2 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle, Amherstberg ON, '08 Mustang 9.308 10.40 -1.092 3 3922 SS/GA Paul Cambria, Buffalo NY, '00 Firebird 9.775 10.85 -1.075 4 390 GT/TB Chuck Nagy, Niagara On The Lake ON, '02 So 10.086 11.15 -1.064 5 1105 GT/JA Gianni Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '00 Fireb 10.550 11.60 -1.050 6 3356 SS/KA John Ulinskas, Oakville OH, '71 GS 10.517 11.55 -1.033 7 3117 SS/BX Joe Buchanan, Bellevue OH, '04 Mustang 9.843 10.85 -1.007 8 1995 GT/EA Rob Carpenter, St. Catherines ON, '82 Cama 9.950 10.95 -1.000 9 3216 GT/AA Victoria Smith, Cayuga ON, '05 Sunfire 9.410 10.40 -0.990 10 3423 SS/DA Dan Velenosi, Stoney Creek ON, '69 Camaro 9.528 10.50 -0.972 11 3828 SS/EM Donn Rhode, Gypsum OH, '68 Camaro 9.537 10.50 -0.963 12 374 SS/LA Ty Kwaiser, Rochester MI, '65 Nova Wgn 10.860 11.75 -0.890 13 1294 SS/BA Ollie Stephan, Scarborough ON, '71 Corvette 9.319 10.20 -0.881 14 3933 GT/DA Bill Little, Belmont ON, '05 Grand Am 9.954 10.80 -0.846 15 1339 GT/TA Gene Emes, Uxbridge ON, '04 S-10 10.014 10.85 -0.836 16 3598 SS/DA Lyn Laperriere, Milan MI, '69 Camaro 9.665 10.50 -0.835 17 3138 SS/BS Todd Matthias, Monroeville OH, '86 Camaro 9.216 10.05 -0.834 18 1150 SS/TB Billy Leber, Tonawanda NY, '02 S-10 9.446 10.25 -0.804 19 3235 PEA-1 Pete D'Agnolo, Rochester NY, '67 Camaro 9.456 10.25 -0.794 20 3006 GT/DA Brian Clayton, Port Perry ON, '84 Camaro 10.025 10.80 -0.775 21 3489 GT/E Barrie Poole, Chatham ON, '85 Thunderbird 10.047 10.80 -0.753 22 3838 SS/NA Eric Stewart, Aurora IL, '84 Cutlass 11.708 12.45 -0.742 23 3963 GT/DA Robert Becker, Port Colborne ON, '87 Camaro10.111 10.80 -0.689 24 110 GT/HA Frank Cantusci, Stittsville ON, '90 Camaro 10.804 11.35 -0.546 25 391 SS/BM Aaron Allison, E. Palestine MI, '90 Cavali 9.174 9.70 -0.526 26 3016 GT/EA Vincent Giglio, Kitchener ON, '85 Camaro 10.462 10.95 -0.488 27 3713 GT/FA Kirk Vanni, Binbrook ON, '86 Camaro 10.635 11.10 -0.465 28 371 GT/HA Mike Vanni, Binbrook ON, '85 Hurst 10.904 11.35 -0.446 29 1057 SS/CS Jamie Groves, Woodstock ON, '71 Comet 10.247 10.65 -0.403 30 1768 SS/AS Tom Simon, Dundas ON, '69 Camaro 9.652 9.90 -0.248 31 1 SS/AM Craig Marshall, Columbus OH, '65 Coronet 9.239 9.42 -0.181 32 337 GT/BA D.J. Raiser, Lancaster NY, '80 Olds 10.447 10.55 -0.103 33 3170 SS/JA Glen Baker, Georgetown ON, '71 Skylark 11.244 11.30 -0.056

07-23-2009, 08:31 PM	#7
Real Racer Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Driver changes 2009 IHRA Rulebook Revisions and Clarifications 7/23/09 p. 114 Changing cars or classes: Add the following at the end of the second paragraph: No competition vehicle may be used by more than one person during an event. If a competitor wishes to change to a different vehicle, it must be a new entry and not one that has been previously qualified by a different driver.