Any ignition guru's out there - Page 4

classof65 · 06-10-2007, 05:58 PM

Thanks for the insight. I will look more closely at the valve spring. However, I don't think that would account for the car not even wanting to fire now. I've taken the distributor out and spun it with the ignition on and a plug grounded to the intake. It throws a pretty mean spark. Just won't start when compression is added to the mix...

You guys are great.

Thanks, Rev.

For those who do not know what Alan means about me losing my glasses it goes back a long way. He, as many of you also do, knows that even with glasses I cannot see well at all - my work and driving days are numbered - and without glasses I would be a terror. Bumping into stuff even more than I do now.... Glen Young and I used to be referred to as the "two Magoo's"

buzzinhalfdozen · 06-10-2007, 09:01 PM

I've been watching this thread, I haven't heard if you actually checked for compression on tis engine. I would checkit if not , you said that when you spun the dist. you had spark correct? well if you have spark that way then you will have it when the engine is turning the dist. Here is what I would do Put the dist. back in the engine correctly set on #1 TDC, have someone crank the engine while you look with a timing light you should see your static timing figure at each flash. I saw someone post that they have had rotors become loose in dists. I have also seen this but only on the crank trigger versions. If you have consistant spark showing at your static timing(ie. base timing) you are not experiencing an ignition fault.As I had previously posted the ald MSD's just work or they don't work there is no grey area with them, once again insure that you have the dist. properly phased to #1 TDC event and have someone crank for you while you look with a timing light if you see your base timing at each spark event than you are NOT experiencing an ign. related event. Good luck Joe. please keep us updated and please check the comp. as it is important to check the basics

Bob Mulry · 06-20-2007, 04:21 PM

It's been ten days without a post!!!!!!

Have you guys got a handle on the problem yet?

Fill us in.

Bob

classof65 · 06-20-2007, 10:04 PM

aaaaaah NO....

I think it's a starter thing now as I cannot even turn the engine over with a breaker bar.

Did a compression test - all right on the money. But ever since, the engine won't budge. I think the drive is engaged . Either that or I blew it up with it not running. Bout my luck I'd say. I'll dig further into it soon. I'm so disappointed that I've kind of lost hear for the rest of this season... Over the winter I'll pull it, freshen it and rewire it.... THEN if it doesn't work I'll sit on a rock and contemplate....

I do appreciate all the help, but I think the engine will probably have to come out. And all this on the heels of a great article in Mopar Action, two national records in one weekend, two pay days in one weekend, and a tive day stint as number one in Div points.... We're out of sight now.

Peace, Rev.

John Dinkel · 06-20-2007, 10:17 PM

If you are running an alternator, make sure it's OK. I had a broken diode and it gave me fits. Changed the alternator and it was fixed

sg1838 · 06-22-2007, 08:55 AM

If you can't turn the motor over with a breaker bar, something is seriously wrong inside that motor. I don't know if it's possible or not in your car, but you may want to drop the pan before yanking the whole motor. You may find something silly like the oil pump pickup came out (of course, even if that was the case, I'm not sure if it were my motor that I'd be comfortable not yanking the motor and going through the whole thing).

Good luck...keep us posted...

Jason Oldfield
S/G & S/ST 1838

classof65 · 06-22-2007, 08:48 PM

It'll be coming out soon I'm sure. Gotta clean a bay out in the garage before I can do it. Just wish I had more time.

Just a strange thing altogether, car ran but had some "pop" issues under heavy load at the launch and then at the top of the gears - about 5000. Then we "fixed" that problem and by all accounts and tests, it should run, but wouldn't. Did the compression test - cool. Finished that up and decided to turn it over with the breaker bar to see if the distributor was in fact rotating - and on about the third pull it would pull no more. It has never lost oil pressure, but that doesn't mean alot I guess.

I feel like singing HI HO HI HO IT'S OFF TO WORK I GO.... But If I were to start that, I'd probably be stuffed in jail for disturbing the peace or impersonating a dwarf.

Peace, Rev.

Alan Roehrich · 06-22-2007, 10:42 PM

Damn Rev, hate to hear that. If we can help, let me know.

Alan Roehrich

Bring "AA" classes to NHRA Stock Eliminator!

mike raddish · 06-23-2007, 01:16 AM

I had a miss that was caused when i removed the ballast resister and reiwred the 4 wires back together wrong. It started missing at 3500 and broke up till i shifted. cost me 6000.00 to trace the miss. I replaced every wire, ground, plug wires, fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel filter, carbs, and even the electric fan. It took a summit tech rep to finally come to my house and figure out that the wiring was wrong where the ballast resister was previously. I didn't catch it after removing the ballast cause it was the end of the year and i didn't start trhe motor till spring. By then i forgot about removing the resister. Mopars, you got to love em. Good luck. After you find the problem please enlighten everyone with the culprit.

Chris 2421 · 06-23-2007, 07:52 AM

Hey Rev,there is a post about a very similar problem to yours on the Moparts board,maybe reading that will help.

Nautilus Racing

06-10-2007, 09:01 PM	#2
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	I've been watching this thread, I haven't heard if you actually checked for compression on tis engine. I would checkit if not , you said that when you spun the dist. you had spark correct? well if you have spark that way then you will have it when the engine is turning the dist. Here is what I would do Put the dist. back in the engine correctly set on #1 TDC, have someone crank the engine while you look with a timing light you should see your static timing figure at each flash. I saw someone post that they have had rotors become loose in dists. I have also seen this but only on the crank trigger versions. If you have consistant spark showing at your static timing(ie. base timing) you are not experiencing an ignition fault.As I had previously posted the ald MSD's just work or they don't work there is no grey area with them, once again insure that you have the dist. properly phased to #1 TDC event and have someone crank for you while you look with a timing light if you see your base timing at each spark event than you are NOT experiencing an ign. related event. Good luck Joe. please keep us updated and please check the comp. as it is important to check the basics __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

06-20-2007, 04:21 PM	#3
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	It's been ten days without a post!!!!!! Have you guys got a handle on the problem yet? Fill us in. Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

06-20-2007, 10:17 PM	#5
John Dinkel Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pinckney, Michigan Posts: 507 Likes: 399 Liked 263 Times in 68 Posts	If you are running an alternator, make sure it's OK. I had a broken diode and it gave me fits. Changed the alternator and it was fixed __________________ John Dinkel 3295 STK

06-22-2007, 10:42 PM	#8
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Damn Rev, hate to hear that. If we can help, let me know. Alan Roehrich Bring "AA" classes to NHRA Stock Eliminator! __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

06-23-2007, 07:52 AM	#10
Chris 2421 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Florida,United States Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey Rev,there is a post about a very similar problem to yours on the Moparts board,maybe reading that will help. Nautilus Racing __________________ Nautilus Racing

06-10-2007, 05:58 PM	#1
classof65 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the insight. I will look more closely at the valve spring. However, I don't think that would account for the car not even wanting to fire now. I've taken the distributor out and spun it with the ignition on and a plug grounded to the intake. It throws a pretty mean spark. Just won't start when compression is added to the mix... You guys are great. Thanks, Rev. For those who do not know what Alan means about me losing my glasses it goes back a long way. He, as many of you also do, knows that even with glasses I cannot see well at all - my work and driving days are numbered - and without glasses I would be a terror. Bumping into stuff even more than I do now.... Glen Young and I used to be referred to as the "two Magoo's"

06-20-2007, 10:04 PM	#4
classof65 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	aaaaaah NO.... I think it's a starter thing now as I cannot even turn the engine over with a breaker bar. Did a compression test - all right on the money. But ever since, the engine won't budge. I think the drive is engaged . Either that or I blew it up with it not running. Bout my luck I'd say. I'll dig further into it soon. I'm so disappointed that I've kind of lost hear for the rest of this season... Over the winter I'll pull it, freshen it and rewire it.... THEN if it doesn't work I'll sit on a rock and contemplate.... I do appreciate all the help, but I think the engine will probably have to come out. And all this on the heels of a great article in Mopar Action, two national records in one weekend, two pay days in one weekend, and a tive day stint as number one in Div points.... We're out of sight now. Peace, Rev.

06-22-2007, 08:55 AM	#6
sg1838 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you can't turn the motor over with a breaker bar, something is seriously wrong inside that motor. I don't know if it's possible or not in your car, but you may want to drop the pan before yanking the whole motor. You may find something silly like the oil pump pickup came out (of course, even if that was the case, I'm not sure if it were my motor that I'd be comfortable not yanking the motor and going through the whole thing). Good luck...keep us posted... Jason Oldfield S/G & S/ST 1838

06-22-2007, 08:48 PM	#7
classof65 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It'll be coming out soon I'm sure. Gotta clean a bay out in the garage before I can do it. Just wish I had more time. Just a strange thing altogether, car ran but had some "pop" issues under heavy load at the launch and then at the top of the gears - about 5000. Then we "fixed" that problem and by all accounts and tests, it should run, but wouldn't. Did the compression test - cool. Finished that up and decided to turn it over with the breaker bar to see if the distributor was in fact rotating - and on about the third pull it would pull no more. It has never lost oil pressure, but that doesn't mean alot I guess. I feel like singing HI HO HI HO IT'S OFF TO WORK I GO.... But If I were to start that, I'd probably be stuffed in jail for disturbing the peace or impersonating a dwarf. Peace, Rev.

06-23-2007, 01:16 AM	#9
mike raddish Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: mogadore Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I had a miss that was caused when i removed the ballast resister and reiwred the 4 wires back together wrong. It started missing at 3500 and broke up till i shifted. cost me 6000.00 to trace the miss. I replaced every wire, ground, plug wires, fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel filter, carbs, and even the electric fan. It took a summit tech rep to finally come to my house and figure out that the wiring was wrong where the ballast resister was previously. I didn't catch it after removing the ballast cause it was the end of the year and i didn't start trhe motor till spring. By then i forgot about removing the resister. Mopars, you got to love em. Good luck. After you find the problem please enlighten everyone with the culprit.