Hood Scoops to Comp - Page 2

Ed Wright · 12-08-2009, 11:09 AM

Aint gonna happen, so it doesn't matter what anybody here says.

Hood scoop cars don't bother me, and we have plenty of them around here.

Comp is crazy expensive, not all that far off of Pro Stock if your going to be really fast, with less pay back. It would just hurt our car counts. I don't see the upside.

Dave Kommel · 12-08-2009, 11:12 AM

Don,

I realize that this may not be the typical scenario, but in Seattle this year, there were 22 cars in SS, 6 of which were hood scoop cars and Sonoma had 38 cars, 7 or which were hood scoop cars.

Memphis had 56 SS, 15 of which were hood scoop cars and Virginia had 52 cars, 16 of which were hood scoop cars.

I'm really not sure we can say that there is an abundance of Super Stockers...

art leong · 12-08-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sprnova

Ok Don I will bite. I see your point on trying to keep the class more stock appearing. So lets go one step further any and all GT cars that were produced front wheel drive must stay front wheel drive or else move up to comp also? How does this sound?

New SS racer Josh Edwards (needed a reply so here is my name)

I could deal with that rule, But then they would have to allow 4 cylinder motors because thats what most of those cars came with.

sprnova · 12-08-2009, 11:38 AM

I dont mean any disrespect in my post. It was just to show how dumb the first idea was. Leave well enough alone. Just remember anybody and everybody can be beat. Isn't it just a bracket race anyway?

RPM5595 · 12-08-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Once again, you have to think long term and consider all of the ramifications. The faulty premise here is presuming that all hood scoop cars would 1) continue to race and 2) would race in Comp eliminator. In all likelihood, all this would accomplish would be some "hood scoop" racers quit, and other build a different combination. This would be like telling certain Stock & Super Stock cars, "Oh, you run 9's... you can just run Super Gas." And how many have done that? Exactly 1, I believe. So, you end up not only NOT increasing car counts in Comp, but decreasing the car count in Super Stock, while simultaneously devaluing the equipment owned by a large number of racers.

As a conservative, you should know that you cannot successfully legislate an outcome. Don't "abandon free market principles to save the free market." The sanctioning body does not *create* participation. It creates an environment where participation may exist, if the customers like that environment and its incentives.

$.02,

I agree 100%! What the hell difference does it make if the car has a scoop or not? I have been converting my car into a "hood scoop car" with the hopes of going faster and still running in a "class" I can be competitive in. A few years ago I made the BIG mistake of thinking the IHRA was serious about growing the Midwest and I built a Crate Motor combo only to have them pull out of Div. 5 the same year I got it done. Now I'm on the down hill side of building a Modified and you want the NHRA to put me into Comp? Give me a break! If I could afford Comp I would run Comp. I honestly would like to someday. But right now it's not going to happen. I built my car, 89 Mustang, as a 302HO Stocker in 1992 and was one of the first FI mustangs in the country. I worked HARD to get the combo figured out and eventually I succeeded. I got my *** handed to me more than a few times along the way by a big ol' station wagon and Al Provoast when I ran in N/SA. I grew to have a large amount of respect for him and instead of whining about him having a bogus combo or cheating,(neither of which were true in my opinion), I WORKED harder, spent a little more money, and eventually I beat him and many others. Then, someone decided that because the (at the time) new LT1 Camaros' were beating up on the old muscle cars that ALL of the fuel injected cars needed their own class so it would be "fair" to everyone. What a bunch of liberal thinking crap! Is'nt that why we have a HP factoring system? That was the last straw for me at the time with NHRA and was when I built the Crate Motor combo. Hey, I'm a Ford guy through and through but I think the new CJ Mustangs should get hammered with HP right now! In this instance it is NOT a fair playing field for the other cars in the class. Getting back to the current discussion why do some people seem to worry SO much about the "touring Pro Sportsman" drivers and what they drive. Truth is, most of them could get into the slowest car in the class and still whip everyone's *** more often than not. Yes, I believe having the faster car is an advantage and that is part of the reason I am building one. But, the biggest reason they win more often than the average joe is they are NOT the average joe! They race more often, do more maintenance to keep the cars in top shape in some cases, set the cars up to BRACKET race, and generally have better skills. Getting all the evil "hood scoop cars" out of SS will solve nothing. These are just my opinions and even though I am 100% correct feel free to debate me. Geesh!

John Stock · 12-08-2009, 02:59 PM

Josh,

A fast black 3rd Gen with a hood scoop I saw out west this fall, had a pretty good driver as well. I think it was black anyway.

What I said about byes was. "Cars 1-4 will always get the available byes if they are still in competition." 1-4 will always get the byes, if they are still in. If they lose before the bye they don't get them.

Don Eckel 111 · 12-08-2009, 04:17 PM

If you are talking about just forcing those car to run an existing Comp class, no problem. If you are talking about adding more classes to Comp to accomodate them, then I have a big problem with it.

Don Kennedy · 12-08-2009, 05:14 PM

Don : You are a comp person do you think comp in the future is in a lack car count problem??

Bryan Worner · 12-08-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Since NHRA Competiton Eliminator car count is down what about moving any car in Super Stock that has an after market Hood scoop on it to Comp eliminator . this would be a good move on NHRA part to help save Comp Eliminator to help increase the car count in that eliminator would be a wise move or a bad move ??.

let it rip boys and girls

ps The post has absolutely nothing to do with anyone personally Just a simple post so Please no one read into this other than what was posted .Just maybe a way to save comp if it is in trouble with car count , just a simple statement nothing more everyone wheww

I like the idea!

Andrew Hill · 12-08-2009, 08:30 PM

In no way am I saying that the modified indexes are not soft, but if you look at the cars that run fast in those classes, they have owners who spent enough money on them to run 1.20+ under with any decent combination (Guys like Arnie Martel, Jimmy DeFrank, James Caro, etc.). However, there are a lot of guys who run the modified classes that don't have cars that can run fast enough to be competitive in comp, and where would they go? It takes a fortune to run comp nowadays. In my opinion, the indexes for some of the classes (specifically the lower modified classes, modified stock classes, and modified experimental classes) need to be lowered based off their comp counterparts, for the ones that have them, but I think it would hurt the car count in Super Stock too much.

12-08-2009, 11:09 AM	#1
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp Aint gonna happen, so it doesn't matter what anybody here says. Hood scoop cars don't bother me, and we have plenty of them around here. Comp is crazy expensive, not all that far off of Pro Stock if your going to be really fast, with less pay back. It would just hurt our car counts. I don't see the upside. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-08-2009, 11:12 AM	#2
Dave Kommel Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Dimas CA Posts: 143 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp Don, I realize that this may not be the typical scenario, but in Seattle this year, there were 22 cars in SS, 6 of which were hood scoop cars and Sonoma had 38 cars, 7 or which were hood scoop cars. Memphis had 56 SS, 15 of which were hood scoop cars and Virginia had 52 cars, 16 of which were hood scoop cars. I'm really not sure we can say that there is an abundance of Super Stockers... __________________ Dave Kommel

12-08-2009, 11:38 AM	#4
sprnova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp I dont mean any disrespect in my post. It was just to show how dumb the first idea was. Leave well enough alone. Just remember anybody and everybody can be beat. Isn't it just a bracket race anyway?

12-08-2009, 02:59 PM	#6
John Stock Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 45 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp Josh, A fast black 3rd Gen with a hood scoop I saw out west this fall, had a pretty good driver as well. I think it was black anyway. What I said about byes was. "Cars 1-4 will always get the available byes if they are still in competition." 1-4 will always get the byes, if they are still in. If they lose before the bye they don't get them. Last edited by John Stock; 12-08-2009 at 03:02 PM.

12-08-2009, 04:17 PM	#7
Don Eckel 111 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 78 Likes: 10 Liked 91 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp If you are talking about just forcing those car to run an existing Comp class, no problem. If you are talking about adding more classes to Comp to accomodate them, then I have a big problem with it. __________________ Don Eckel 1985 COMP

12-08-2009, 05:14 PM	#8
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp Don : You are a comp person do you think comp in the future is in a lack car count problem?? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

12-08-2009, 08:30 PM	#10
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 700 Likes: 446 Liked 170 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Hood Scoops to Comp In no way am I saying that the modified indexes are not soft, but if you look at the cars that run fast in those classes, they have owners who spent enough money on them to run 1.20+ under with any decent combination (Guys like Arnie Martel, Jimmy DeFrank, James Caro, etc.). However, there are a lot of guys who run the modified classes that don't have cars that can run fast enough to be competitive in comp, and where would they go? It takes a fortune to run comp nowadays. In my opinion, the indexes for some of the classes (specifically the lower modified classes, modified stock classes, and modified experimental classes) need to be lowered based off their comp counterparts, for the ones that have them, but I think it would hurt the car count in Super Stock too much.