Index Change

[Tracy Robbins]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Tracy, while I'll concede that there are some of those $50,000 dollar engines out there beating up some indexes, I doubt it's the norm. I don't have $50 large in my entire operation. Now I'm certainly no genious and I've been able to run under with my junk, of course that's most likely due to the "soft" indexes. So now I go from having a second under car to a .7 under car.....so what? As stated by a few on here , yes a few racers are gonna be affected in a bad way by this however they do have a choice, step up or move on.Not trying to be mean about it but that's just the hand that's been dealt. If I were in that spot I'd have to weigh my options and make a decision based on what I was willing and able to spend. Joe

I understand exactly what you're saying Joe, but it's sad that a lower budget racer should be forced to "move on"? As I stated before, NHRA's profits/car counts are down is this going to bring in more participants or force some to "move on"?
Personally, I will still go to whatever races I can get into and be competitive enough to run the index...until the index gets hit again.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Lane, You've had that combo for the better part of 20 years now and it has the potential of being number one qualifier.

Mark, I don't recall ever seeing a combo such as Lane's ever being number one qualifier, and unless one slipped by me, I'm going back to the '80's with how long I've followed Stock Eliminator (especially the national events)? Am I missing someone who raced a car engine combo like his? Who???


A half second under the old index shouldn't be that hard to achieve ,without spending a big pile of money.

Mark, your key statement was "A half second under the old index"! Now that the old index is just that "old", it will take money and lots of it to get .3 sec.... If I want to get that .3 back in my car, I'm going to have to get headers for it, and thanks to Hooker not making them anymore for my car, I'm going to have to part with $1,000 (hardly what I'd consider a small pile of money)!

You're just not going to get a lot of sympathy on here with that program.

Lane, you'll get sympathy from me because I haven't forgotten the '06 Mile High Nat's, that only thanks to you was I able to get my car to run the index (which was key in my beating Tony Hernandez in rd. 3, with my index plus .004 "16.664").

Somtimes you have to open the wallet a little.

Yeah Mark you can open it as long as you have some money in it???

it never was intended to be Affirmative Action Drag Racing.

No it wasn't intended to be that, but it shouldn't be a rich person only sport (which it seems like that's what it's becoming). I wonder how our dearly beloved (and now even more sadly missed) NHRA founder "Wally Parks" would feel about these changes that's happened since his unfortunate passing??? He wasn't rich, but he associated his-self with similarly minded people who shared a passion for "full throttle acceleration", and thru support of others his ideal became a reality for all of us to enjoy. Sadly corporate greed has settled in over recent years, and those of us who payed our entry fees and attended the races, are being stomped on and squeezed out like forgotten step-children!!!
Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

Mark, I hope you noticed the fillers I added to your comments on the above thread that's highlighted....

I'll agree with you on this though Mark...Lane, "Good luck, whatever you decide to do"!!!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'll agree with you on this though Mark...Lane, "Good luck, whatever you decide to do"!!!

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone View Post
Lane, You've had that combo for the better part of 20 years now and it has the potential of being number one qualifier.

Mark, I don't recall ever seeing a combo such as Lane's ever being number one qualifier, and unless one slipped by me, I'm going back to the '80's with how long I've followed Stock Eliminator (especially the national events)? Am I missing someone who raced a car engine combo like his? Who???

>>>>> Don Sarret , Neil Smedley 77 Pontiac 8-9 years ago. 1.40- 1.50 under

Larry Munk , home built ,budget car 78 Le Mans 7-8 tenths under.



A half second under the old index shouldn't be that hard to achieve ,without spending a big pile of money.

Mark, your key statement was "A half second under the old index"! Now that the old index is just that "old", it will take money and lots of it to get .3 sec.... If I want to get that .3 back in my car, I'm going to have to get headers for it, and thanks to Hooker not making them anymore for my car, I'm going to have to part with $1,000 (hardly what I'd consider a small pile of money)!

>>>>> Gary, nobody made headers for my 84 Citation either. I called up Hooker and got a bunch of components for their S 10 headers. Welded them together ,and picked up about 4-5 tenths. That was the first complete set of headers I ever built and it wasn't all that hard. Cost? under $200.
Nobody made a decent set for my 350 Buick /Omega. I bought a flange set from TA and some split flow collectors and u bends. About $300 .
I know what you're going to say next, but if can't build them or pay someone else to,
you'll just have to call 1-800-CRY-NHRA


You're just not going to get a lot of sympathy on here with that program.

Lane, you'll get sympathy from me because I haven't forgotten the '06 Mile High Nat's, that only thanks to you was I able to get my car to run the index (which was key in my beating Tony Hernandez in rd. 3, with my index plus .004 "16.664").

Somtimes you have to open the wallet a little.

Yeah Mark you can open it as long as you have some money in it???

>>>> My meager income never even makes it to MY wallet.

it never was intended to be Affirmative Action Drag Racing.

No it wasn't intended to be that, but it shouldn't be a rich person only sport (which it seems like that's what it's becoming).

>>>>> That surely doesn't describe me, but take a look in my backyard on Google Earth, and see if you see any HIGH DOLLAR number 1 qualifying Stockers there.

I wonder how our dearly beloved (and now even more sadly missed) NHRA founder "Wally Parks" would feel about these changes that's happened since his unfortunate passing??? He wasn't rich, but he associated his-self with similarly minded people who shared a passion for "full throttle acceleration", and thru support of others his ideal became a reality for all of us to enjoy. Sadly corporate greed has settled in over recent years, and those of us who payed our entry fees and attended the races, are being stomped on and squeezed out like forgotten step-children!!!


Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

>>>>>That goes for you too, and happy holidays.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lane M Weber

The reason I can`t Mark is my car is only about .25 under now. I ran better than .30 under twice this past season,but never at a Combo or NHRA event. I know,I know,work on it,blah,blah,blah. Fact of the matter is,if I`m going to spend money on that thing,it won`t be so I can run low 16`s up here,I`m going to put a small block in it and run Pro or Super Pro. I`m tired of spending money on a slow car and it`s time to pick up the pace. The only reason I continued to stick with the slow car deal was because of Stock. So there you have it. I can walk away proud of my accomplishments in the class with no regrets.

Lane,if your car is .25 under can't you write a letter with documentation to get some HP relief?Worked for me 10 years ago.

[Wade_Owens]

Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco

Sounds a little bit too much like a trap if you ask me.....
So a fast car needed to be concerned about going 1.40 under (with the exception of ahfs review triggers at national events)
Indexes lowered .3 - - the instant trigger changed to 1.25
a car can now go up to 1.65 under the old index and not get an instant hit?
if this is correct then to me it looks more like a ploy to weed out the real soft combos

Angelo, I agree 100% also, but as you already know, the guys who knew how to play the game before..............still do.....

Have a great Holiday

Wade