Update From Phoenix - Page 3

Greg Hill · 02-27-2010, 10:32 PM

I would bet money they were using VP traction compound and not VHT. VP does not work on cold tracks.

Jeff Lee · 02-27-2010, 11:07 PM

And I'm sure the attorneys for the deceased are monitoring this and every other race site.

Duster 7695 · 02-28-2010, 12:12 AM

Mr Hill, how much money are you willing to put up. I'll start with $1000.00. Will you match it ,or better yet ,how about upping it?

Raul

Greg Hill · 02-28-2010, 07:25 AM

So Mr. know it all what were they using?

fredjohnston · 02-28-2010, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Blake

Yeah I just found this on DRC: "NHRA and Firebird officials have been working feverishly to correct a problem that was discovered
during the NHRA Arizona Nationals and despite their best efforts have not been able to overcome the
conditions. It was found on Friday that the wrong product of traction compound was sent to the
track and was used to prepare the racetrack the last two weeks. Officials believe that this is the
root of the problems with the racing surface."

Possible legal action filed toward NHRA will allow NHRA to place blame on the supplier. Thus the reason for stating "wrong product....sent etc. etc."

Duster 7695 · 02-28-2010, 09:25 AM

By your reply I assume you won't be willing to bet after all. Since I can't win any money from you, I'll answere your question. The track, and NHRA use PJ1 traction compound. You can check on the internetand see what it is. It certainly is not VP. However you are correct about it not working well on a cold track.

Raul

Toby Lang · 02-28-2010, 01:16 PM

As II'm making the lovely 1500 mile trip back home I have a few questions:

1. WTF is wrong with VHT?

2. Has the EPA started cracking down on the use of VHT?

3. Was it just discovered this weekend that PJ1 doesn't work well on cold tracks?

4. Is PJ1 cheaper than VHT? If so, is it worth having cars on their roofs and into the wall? Not to mention having to pay all the personnel to work the make up races?

-Toby

Don Kennedy · 02-28-2010, 01:35 PM

The traction compound pj1 is the same as the vht . the VHT name was sold for some paint names and then the traction compound was renamed pj1 .

The company sells to their customers the traction compound either full strength or diluted 25% . The customer then decides how they want to apply the traction compound.

The Firebird track manager Chuck has never been told on how much traction compound to buy by Charlie Allen and can buy as much as he wants for Firebird use .

I suspect that when NHRA comes to town then they use what ever traction compound they want and most likley deluted to their own desires made by some decision maker unkown to most, not really sure on that though.

Toby Lang · 02-28-2010, 07:26 PM

OK, thank you for the explaination. I thought they were different products.

In the statement released by the NHRA it said the wrong product was sent to the track. Which product did they have and which is the right one?

If there are only two types I doubt having the diluted one would make much difference. They dilute it with alcohol, right? The alcohol evaporates. Couldn't you just spray more down to get the same result as full strength?

Something doesn't make sense.

-Toby

Bob Sherwood · 02-28-2010, 08:16 PM

THOSE DAMM SUPPLIERS-- they will do it every time and I have seen those labels on the drums----THEY JUST ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.

02-27-2010, 10:32 PM	#21
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix I would bet money they were using VP traction compound and not VHT. VP does not work on cold tracks. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK Last edited by Greg Hill; 02-28-2010 at 07:24 AM.

02-27-2010, 11:07 PM	#22
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix And I'm sure the attorneys for the deceased are monitoring this and every other race site. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

02-28-2010, 12:12 AM	#23
Duster 7695 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 140 Likes: 1 Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix Mr Hill, how much money are you willing to put up. I'll start with $1000.00. Will you match it ,or better yet ,how about upping it? Raul

02-28-2010, 07:25 AM	#24
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix So Mr. know it all what were they using? __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

02-28-2010, 09:25 AM	#26
Duster 7695 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 140 Likes: 1 Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix By your reply I assume you won't be willing to bet after all. Since I can't win any money from you, I'll answere your question. The track, and NHRA use PJ1 traction compound. You can check on the internetand see what it is. It certainly is not VP. However you are correct about it not working well on a cold track. Raul

02-28-2010, 01:16 PM	#27
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Update From Phoenix As II'm making the lovely 1500 mile trip back home I have a few questions: 1. WTF is wrong with VHT? 2. Has the EPA started cracking down on the use of VHT? 3. Was it just discovered this weekend that PJ1 doesn't work well on cold tracks? 4. Is PJ1 cheaper than VHT? If so, is it worth having cars on their roofs and into the wall? Not to mention having to pay all the personnel to work the make up races? -Toby Last edited by Toby Lang; 02-28-2010 at 01:24 PM.

02-28-2010, 01:35 PM	#28
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix The traction compound pj1 is the same as the vht . the VHT name was sold for some paint names and then the traction compound was renamed pj1 . The company sells to their customers the traction compound either full strength or diluted 25% . The customer then decides how they want to apply the traction compound. The Firebird track manager Chuck has never been told on how much traction compound to buy by Charlie Allen and can buy as much as he wants for Firebird use . I suspect that when NHRA comes to town then they use what ever traction compound they want and most likley deluted to their own desires made by some decision maker unkown to most, not really sure on that though. __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 02-28-2010 at 01:52 PM.

02-28-2010, 07:26 PM	#29
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Update From Phoenix OK, thank you for the explaination. I thought they were different products. In the statement released by the NHRA it said the wrong product was sent to the track. Which product did they have and which is the right one? If there are only two types I doubt having the diluted one would make much difference. They dilute it with alcohol, right? The alcohol evaporates. Couldn't you just spray more down to get the same result as full strength? Something doesn't make sense. -Toby

02-28-2010, 08:16 PM	#30
Bob Sherwood Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Dakota Posts: 153 Likes: 70 Liked 388 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Update From Phoenix THOSE DAMM SUPPLIERS-- they will do it every time and I have seen those labels on the drums----THEY JUST ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.