A/SA First in the 9.80's

[Mack Reeves]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I love Mopars but how can you call a car that Is'nt really street legal that comes with a Caravan axle in place of the rear end a Stock Eliminator car???????????????????

Hey Ed, NHRA says so.... And no matter what any of us think here, its their ball game and we all play by their rules or we move on the another game... JMO.......

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Pvt Parts

Deep pockets can definately help you go fast, but to win an eliminator title you have to be able to drive. Most of these guys who post big numbers are usually long gone by the semi's.

A driver like John Calvert in a new cobra jet will work!LOL

[Dinsdale]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

A driver like John Calvert in a new cobra jet will work!LOL

How so?? Please elaborate...

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

It just amazes me that some think that just because they are fast with a grossly under rated car that they are such great engine builders and drivers.

Also spot on as usual.

[herbjr]

I heard one very well known engine builder who builds fast S/SS motors. He does most of his own head work and development. He said 90% of your engine builders out there are engine assemblers then they get a soft combo and they are hero's.

[Charley Downing]

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

[Billy Nees]

Charlie Bob, I doubt that Mr. Shaw is getting any help from Cadillac first of all. Second, any one is also welcome to build Mr. Shaws combo but there aren't many racers that want a "slow" race car. And the most important reason, Mr. Shaw is only "hurting" a hand full of people and most of those few people will applaude Mr. Shaw for his bravado. The DPs and SCJs are "hurting" a significant number of people and OBTW, most of them (but not all) have big egos and big wallets. It's kind of like standing in front of a fan with your two best buddies and throwing a handfull of s**t into it. If they ARE your buddies then they'll probably laugh about it. Now try the same thing in a room full of strangers and I'm gonna bet that you're gonna get a beating.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Bob Shaw, an individual, went to the guide and found an old combination that was already there, and no one was racing, then took advantage of that.

Where as Ford and Chrysler, two mega dollar factories, went out and created purpose built race cars that were never intended to be street driven, and then went to NHRA and had them inserted into the guide with bogus HP ratings attached.

Nice try at comparing apples and oranges though. Good job with the name calling, too. Got anything else?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

NONE of these "CARS" should be in stock elim. They are limited production units, not street legal, and the DP cars are not even complete cars from MoPar.. They should be in S/S with a correct HP (main problem) rating and as far as the single 4 Hemi cars like Bartons it should be a 4-speed stick ONLY as that was how they came for NASCAR racing and WITHOUT a hood scoop. As far as Bob Shaws car goes it just proves what a joke the AHFS is when someone finds a bogus HP rated car and they are the only one in existance racing NHRA . They can protect the HP rating forever.
All these guys want is a FAIR shake in the HP ratings dept. and NHRA didnt give it to them and this forum is about the only place that they can piss and moan about the problem other than writing a zillion letters to NHRA that no one reads or couldnt care less about that get trash canned anyway.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

Wrong is wrong.

WRONG: If Shaw goes -1.75 under, it's underrated and needs refactored.

WRONG: The DP and CJ cars are not only underrated, but also not street legal cars that have no business in Stock. I think they'd be fine in Super Stock, just like the limited production Hemis. My crate motor car is more of a Stocker than a DP or CJ car. Are they awesome cars? Oh, absolutely! I love both of them -- just not in Stock, and not at the purposefully low HP factors.

WRONG: The fuel injected LS-1/LT-1's were underrated when they came out, as were the Mopar trucks, paper cars, ad infinitum.

WRONG: cars with transmissions they didn't come with, Corvette rear suspensions, 292 truck carbs, camshaft specs on some 4cyl Mopars, and yes, even hoodscoops on Crate Motor Dusters.

So yeah, I got a problem with it. This is kinda like the political parties each pointing fingers at the other saying, "But they're wrong TOO!" What the h*ll good is that? Wrong is wrong, period, and it's ALL a bunch of BS, and everybody knows it. It's just that now, the horse has been let out of the barn for so long that nobody cares to try to fix it, and now its everybody looking out for their own agenda instead of the big picture and what's right.

And oh, BTW, I would have no problem if IHRA said that crate motor cars don't belong in Stock, and put them in Super Stock.