What Do You Think About This? - Page 4

Jeff Lee · 11-11-2010, 09:03 PM

There. That was simple. I just posted this link on their comments page.

Chris Barnes · 11-11-2010, 09:29 PM

I am gratified that you guys have read my work and mortified that I really stepped in something deep and stinky once again. I write for a bunch of people who have no idea about Stock Eliminator drag racing and I try to make it interesting to get their butts in the stands. I guess I made it too interesting this time. It didn't occur to me that 3000+ class racers would be reading it. Maybe Mopar Max will give me a raise or fire me. Either would be fine.

I am very sorry for what I did. I should have known better and now I do. I tried to do the right thing by not competing. I never had any intention of running the car in eliminations with the wrong carb. Assertions to the contrary are incorrect. I should have realized that qualifying the car would screw with the program. I should have told the NHRA to take me out of the qualifying ladder because I was illegal, not to mention that it was the end of the season and there was more important stuff on the line than my stupid test and tune fiasco. I was dumb. I meant no disrespect to Stock Eliminator. I am an ambassador of our sport. I dream about it. I don't consider it to be "glorified bracket racing" I consider it to be the hardest class in drag racing. I am honored to participate. Please accept my sincere apologies and the promise that I will try not to be such a bone head in the future.

Now in my defense, ask most people who know me, I am not an idiot or an asshole. Don't ask the other people. I'm the guy who would give you the shirt off his back. With the help of friends, fellow racers, and my family I have been able to put together a couple of Stock Eliminator cars from scratch. It took years because I didn't fall into this, I clawed my way in. I savor every moment that I am at the track or working on the cars. I feel like the Stock Eliminator community is a miniscule sliver of society that is my family. We are the only ones who really know.

Keep up the good work.

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock# 6621

Jeff Goss · 11-11-2010, 10:31 PM

Don't sweat it Chris. Perfect response in my book.

Lesson learned. Move forward. Bracket racers have a different mentality.

I, for one, understand. But, I also had a bunch of Stock and Super Stock buddies that would have never let me make a pass with a different carb.

Good luck!

Jeff

Greg Reimer 7376 · 11-11-2010, 10:52 PM

Chris--You on your own manned up and did what was right here. Thank you for exhibiting the right attitude here. Let's all, in the Stock Eliminator family, remember this,lest we also be tempted. Test and Tune is where we can experiment without causing any grief, let's all remember to tinker there. As for the Div.7 racer that found Jesus, I'm glad for him,but we all have a long way to go . Thanks for your response.

Phillip marvetz · 11-11-2010, 11:36 PM

Chris,
Thank's for the response.
I for one know you and do not think for a minute you meant to harm any other racer by trying to figure out a new racecar that was not working they way it should have after all the hard work that it takes to build one. I would not have the interest in stock that I have if not for your enthusiasm about it. Hopefully this is a good lesson for a of our fellow racer's.
The wrong time and place for a test session? Yes. But how many of us haven't or wouldn't test something after a 300 mile drive and a disapointing first pass in new car?.
Putting the car in the trailer and going home without competing was the right thing to do at that point.
The interesting thing is that another racer was caught racing with a big carb this year and not a word was said about it here.

Toby,
Chris has given you the shirt off his back and this is how you repay him? I smell the stink of Sean Kennedy on you.

Ed Fernandez · 11-11-2010, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

Chris,
Thank's for the response.
I for one know you and do not think for a minute you meant to harm any other racer by trying to figure out a new racecar that was not working they way it should have after all the hard work that it takes to build one. I would not have the interest in stock that I have if not for your enthusiasm about it. Hopefully this is a good lesson for a of our fellow racer's.
The wrong time and place for a test session? Yes. But how many of us haven't or wouldn't test something after a 300 mile drive and a disapointing first pass in new car?.
Putting the car in the trailer and going home without competing was the right thing to do at that point.
The interesting thing is that another racer was caught racing with a big carb this year and not a word was said about it here.

Toby,
Chris has given you the shirt off his back and this is how you repay him? I smell the stink of Sean Kennedy on you.

Phil,I usually agree with your posts,but don't try to crucify Toby on this one.Your west coast friend was 100% wrong and there was no justification for using that carb in qualifying.The
article said one of his crew persons is a tech inspector.Duhhhhhh.

Ed Fernandez · 11-11-2010, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

I believe that this year it is legal. Hasn't the rule been changed for next year?

Thank you for the response.I guess no west coasters care to comment on my question.

Chris Barnes · 11-12-2010, 12:36 AM

Toby, if you are reading this, please just know that we are on your side. Your points are well taken. I look forward to the next time I see you because you are my friend. Good luck this weekend!

Jeff Lee · 11-12-2010, 03:53 AM

325 383 CDP 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S, 4132S/SM 301,666,968 1.5 H 73.5 D,2
Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4132,4133 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
350 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D
Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
350 440 D 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,8
Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4136,4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
365 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D
Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313
Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563
365 440 P 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,11

Are you sure you have the right carb for a '66 Plymouth 383 / 325 engine?
FYI - AFB 4130s is for an automatic transmission and 4132s/SM is for a "stick manual" transmission. Be careful, often times the "SM" carbs are smaller CFM for better in-town driving; especially on a larger car like yours. Don't you have an automatic trans?
If the AFB you borrowed was for a 1966 440 (maybe it wasn't), then it shares the same specs as your 383 AFB.

GTX JOHN · 11-12-2010, 04:06 AM

The article states he borrowed a 73 Carter 750 AVS. It has an Air Valve Controlled Secondaries and has the large 1 11/16 primary and secondary throttle blades.

11-11-2010, 09:03 PM	#31
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? There. That was simple. I just posted this link on their comments page. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

11-11-2010, 09:29 PM	#32
Chris Barnes Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 139 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? I am gratified that you guys have read my work and mortified that I really stepped in something deep and stinky once again. I write for a bunch of people who have no idea about Stock Eliminator drag racing and I try to make it interesting to get their butts in the stands. I guess I made it too interesting this time. It didn't occur to me that 3000+ class racers would be reading it. Maybe Mopar Max will give me a raise or fire me. Either would be fine. I am very sorry for what I did. I should have known better and now I do. I tried to do the right thing by not competing. I never had any intention of running the car in eliminations with the wrong carb. Assertions to the contrary are incorrect. I should have realized that qualifying the car would screw with the program. I should have told the NHRA to take me out of the qualifying ladder because I was illegal, not to mention that it was the end of the season and there was more important stuff on the line than my stupid test and tune fiasco. I was dumb. I meant no disrespect to Stock Eliminator. I am an ambassador of our sport. I dream about it. I don't consider it to be "glorified bracket racing" I consider it to be the hardest class in drag racing. I am honored to participate. Please accept my sincere apologies and the promise that I will try not to be such a bone head in the future. Now in my defense, ask most people who know me, I am not an idiot or an asshole. Don't ask the other people. I'm the guy who would give you the shirt off his back. With the help of friends, fellow racers, and my family I have been able to put together a couple of Stock Eliminator cars from scratch. It took years because I didn't fall into this, I clawed my way in. I savor every moment that I am at the track or working on the cars. I feel like the Stock Eliminator community is a miniscule sliver of society that is my family. We are the only ones who really know. Keep up the good work. Chris Barnes Wagons of Steel Stock# 6621

11-11-2010, 10:31 PM	#33
Jeff Goss Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Burlington, WA Posts: 361 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Don't sweat it Chris. Perfect response in my book. Lesson learned. Move forward. Bracket racers have a different mentality. I, for one, understand. But, I also had a bunch of Stock and Super Stock buddies that would have never let me make a pass with a different carb. Good luck! Jeff

11-11-2010, 10:52 PM	#34
Greg Reimer 7376 VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glendora,Calif. Posts: 1,135 Likes: 172 Liked 704 Times in 218 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Chris--You on your own manned up and did what was right here. Thank you for exhibiting the right attitude here. Let's all, in the Stock Eliminator family, remember this,lest we also be tempted. Test and Tune is where we can experiment without causing any grief, let's all remember to tinker there. As for the Div.7 racer that found Jesus, I'm glad for him,but we all have a long way to go . Thanks for your response.

11-11-2010, 11:36 PM	#35
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Chris, Thank's for the response. I for one know you and do not think for a minute you meant to harm any other racer by trying to figure out a new racecar that was not working they way it should have after all the hard work that it takes to build one. I would not have the interest in stock that I have if not for your enthusiasm about it. Hopefully this is a good lesson for a of our fellow racer's. The wrong time and place for a test session? Yes. But how many of us haven't or wouldn't test something after a 300 mile drive and a disapointing first pass in new car?. Putting the car in the trailer and going home without competing was the right thing to do at that point. The interesting thing is that another racer was caught racing with a big carb this year and not a word was said about it here. Toby, Chris has given you the shirt off his back and this is how you repay him? I smell the stink of Sean Kennedy on you. __________________ 2009 V/SA Record Holder

11-12-2010, 12:36 AM	#38
Chris Barnes Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 139 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? Toby, if you are reading this, please just know that we are on your side. Your points are well taken. I look forward to the next time I see you because you are my friend. Good luck this weekend!

11-12-2010, 03:53 AM	#39
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? 325 383 CDP 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S, 4132S/SM 301,666,968 1.5 H 73.5 D,2 Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4132,4133 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 350 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 350 440 D 10.00 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,8 Carb sizes – # 4130,4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4136,4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 365 440 C 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4137S, 4131S/AUTO ONLY 1.5 H 73.5 D Carb sizes – # 4131 – 1437x1563/1186x1313 Carb sizes – # 4137 – 1437x1563/1063x1563 365 440 P 10.10 1-4 Cart AFB-4130S/SM, 4131S/AUTO 1.5 H 73.5 D,11 Are you sure you have the right carb for a '66 Plymouth 383 / 325 engine? FYI - AFB 4130s is for an automatic transmission and 4132s/SM is for a "stick manual" transmission. Be careful, often times the "SM" carbs are smaller CFM for better in-town driving; especially on a larger car like yours. Don't you have an automatic trans? If the AFB you borrowed was for a 1966 440 (maybe it wasn't), then it shares the same specs as your 383 AFB. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

11-12-2010, 04:06 AM	#40
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,730 Likes: 2,790 Liked 2,469 Times in 695 Posts	Re: What Do You Think About This? The article states he borrowed a 73 Carter 750 AVS. It has an Air Valve Controlled Secondaries and has the large 1 11/16 primary and secondary throttle blades.