2011 ahfs

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Craig Couris

Unless there is something here I do not understand, where is the incentive to improve your combination? I believe this is going to tear the very fabric that defines the Eliminator.

I don't think the "perks" that GM threw at Glendora were as substantial as they are with the current manufacturers to get the favorable HP figures.That being said,is it any wonder they won't put them in their own class.
Only speculation on my part.

[Angelo DiTocco]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

Is it fair to all the cars that have 50-60-70 thou in their combo's Bad choice of words....Put them ALL in FX and in one year they will be ready for whereever.

I actualy like the new cars and I agree that technology must somehow be partnered with corporate marketing in order to move forward however..................

I gotta agree w/ Bob here - The EFI cars had their own classes for a few years - knocked heads w/ eachother - got HP - and were reabsorbed into traditional stock classes.

No one shed any tears for those car owners..... over the fact that those people had built "legal" cars according to the "existing" rules. They got separated out... and I don't think anyone could argue that it didn't work. The situation w/ the new cars is no different. I have no skin in this game... yet.... but I don't buy that argument. I know the NHRA has their hands full - and I understand what that means - but I don't think it would take a team of people to replicate what was done in the past w/ the EFI cars.

[Craig Couris]

FYI- The EFI cars had ten years worth of significant advantage over the carburetor cars such as the 396 / 325, 455 Olds to name just a few. Does everyone want to repeat this?

[Bob Mulry]

My crystal ball also said:

ALL future records will be exactly .99 under the index......

[K Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

My crystal ball also said:

ALL future records will be exactly .99 under the index......

Good point Bob, exactly what I was thinking. If you look at most records, you will have to go faster than this to even set one. Which will get you looked at and possible hp. Bad idea all the way around.

[Andys dad]

WOW

I had no idea so many guys can run more than a second under

I ran real fast at Pomona and was only 95 under - that use to be 125 under

Now I am learning most people are out of line more than I thought

Otherwise why all of the hub bub

Just how many heads up races have been won by the new cars anyway?

How many heads up races have been won by you guys holding so much in reserve?

The count is probably way in favor of the old cars since there are so many more.


:-) peace

[Craig Couris]

Let's cut the new car/ old car crap. This is nothing more than a factoring problem. I also have a new Cobra Jet and I can tell you it makes well over 100 horsepower more than my L-88. The Corvette is factored at 440 and the Cobra Jet is factored at 439 and the valve covers have never been off.

The Corvette has been 9.74 so it's no turd.

This is the problem and you must remember that your new car today will be old tomorrow so think about that.

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by Andys dad

WOW


I ran real fast at Pomona and was only 95 under - that use to be 125 under



Just how many heads up races have been won by the new cars anyway?

How many heads up races have been won by you guys holding so much in reserve?


:-) peace

And had the 3 tenths not been knocked off in order to usher in the new factory race cars you would still be 1.25 under which is an extremely good performance from your combo!

-- How many heads ups have been won by the new cars? I take that to mean the dps and fords.......wayyyy to many seeing that these cars haven't had the time to do the 10 year thrash for that last little bit of et.

--How many heads ups have been won by the guys holding so much in reserve? Enough to get hp on combos (under the ahfs) that in a perfect world (ie: first to the finish line and legal to the rule book) shouldn't have been given out.

Exactly right Craig factoring is the whole problem not the new or old cars. It has been a problem for years and apparantly we are content to let sanctioning bodies dictate our expenditures and our budgets with a pencil, poor tech and protected factors.

[Jim Carter]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

2. Is it fair to the racers who went out and spent the money on a new car based upon the existing rules?

Is it fair to all the cars that have 50-60-70 thou in their combo's Bad choice of words....Put them ALL in FX and in one year they will be ready for whereever.

Bob:
The powers have chosen to, once again, ignore the real root of the problem amd are now getting the S/SS community to focus on the updating AHFS system, as though that is the real problem. You, Craig, Angelo and Wade have pulled back the fluff and exposed this effort for what it is: "Window Dressing." "Smoke and mirrors folks!!"
Underated crate motor cars (and non crate motor cars) that don't exist, lexan windows, bogus intakes, fiberglass fenders, two speed transmissions and all the rest of the rule breakers, that have been passed off as OK for new age stockers and are now supposed to be accepted. The latest atrocity is the Viper motor into a Challenger as a stocker. And on top of that, we should be "thankful" that the big three support pro teams. Why?
Perhaps you, Mike Ficacci and Craig Couris should be on that committee.
JC