worst red light debate, again!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

WRONG. And it is YOU that does not get it. YOU do not RACE in Stock Eliminator, nor in Super Stock. YOU do not drive a car, YOU do not own a car, YOU do not crew a car, you do not build or work on cars, in either class. Therefore, and to wit, rules in Stock Eliminator and Super Stock DO NOT EFFECT YOU.

Yes Bill, it really is THAT SIMPLE. And yet, you insist on trying to ram a rule change down the throats of racers you do not race with.

Ever wonder why you annoy others so much? You have your nose in their business, trying to make changes that DO NOT EFFECT YOU, to classes they race in and you do not.

It has been suggested to you dozens, maybe hundreds of times, that you propose your rule change as a racer, in your classes, at your track. But you steadfastly refuse to do so, you insist on constantly demanding that racers in other classes embrace your desire for a rule change in classes you have no actual vested interest in. You admit you're not going to race in Stock Eliminator or Super Stock, and yet you demand and insist that the rule be changed to suit you.

I may bracket race some, as a diversion, as part of a test and tune session, or something of that nature. But the one thing I will refuse to do is to demand that bracket racers change a rule to suit me. I won't even go on their section of the boards and talk about their rules, as their rules are no business of mine. And even if I do choose to bracket race at times, I do so under their rules, with the understanding that it is their world, and I'm just visiting.

No, Bill, Ed gets it, you do not. Ed is not demanding a rule change at all, never mind demanding a rule change in a class he has zero intentions of racing in. Think about it. Spend as much time and effort obsessing over that concept as you do the red light rule. One day, even you might get it, you might grasp the concept. I won't hold my breath waiting.

Thank you Alan for explaining this so even a caveman can understand it.I think that all points racers in S/SS should have to forfeit 10 points per race because they are so much better than the rest of us and our self esteem is being damaged.Why shouldn't we be able to win races and make more money just because we aren't good enough to do it on our own talent.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

I am too old and infirm to take the beating that campaigning an NHRA Stocker would provide me, give all the travel involved, to say nothing of the travel expense, BUT that is surely what I'd do if I had the physical wherewithall to get it done right, because that's where my heart is.

Instead, I have a Bracket car that I race at a local track (when I have the time, and am able), a Vortech, low boost... 10 psi) 360 Magunum-powered '72 Valiant 4-door that goes mid elevens @118 mph, and am partners in a new, experimental slant six-powered 1964 Valiant that will be a high-boost (30+ pounds) turbocharged car that is stilll being put together at my racing partner's garage. It's (as well as my other, supercharged car) run under the same starting-line protocol as a Stocker would be, so I am subject to a first red light rule, just like everybody else, until it is changed (if it ever is.... doubtful.) Here are some pix of these cars and their engines, That's me in the white coat...

Thanks for your interest!

Nice Cars/engines Bill!

[JRyan]

I wonder if Kevin Helms and Jerry Emmons would be for the "first or Worst rule" right about now. Roy Hill was the lucky recipient in both cases, and he should go to a driving school near home, or .....

Jerry

[7423]

Originally Posted by JRyan

I wonder if Kevin Helms and Jerry Emmons would be for the "first or Worst rule" right about now.

Jerry

I kinda doubt it. Emmons and Helms are experienced enough racers to realize that they do not need an excuse for the fact that they were red and lost.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by 7423

I kinda doubt it. Emmons and Helms are experienced enough racers to realize that they do not need an excuse for the fact that they were red and lost.

But did the other car have a chance to lose via a red light, too?

If not, they got screwed, whether they know it or not. EVERYBODY needs a chance to red light... everybody. If not, it's a stacked deck.

[Bunkster]

Where are a few “rogue” track operators that will change their starting system to a worst foul system?

If you’re out there, just do it: Don’t tell anyone what you did, just do it. Be different. Be a trend setter. Be a leader.

Then, let’s listen to the bizarre excuse when someone whines because they fouled worse than their opponent and lost: “I know my red light was worse, but HE did it first!”

That will be right up there on the silly meter with “I know I broke out worse, but HE did it first!”

Who’s going to quit handicap racing when everyone has an equal chance to foul start?

[Ed Fernandez]

You guys who want to change this rule are nothing but mamby pambies that are trying to find another crutch to try and win a race in spite of your lack of talent.What next?I heard a few guys saying that when Dave Thomas painted his Corvette flat black that it was because the slower guys couldn't see him coming up on them at night.So now let's see,nobody can paint their car that way,it's an unfair advantage.It's all bull$hit.If you don't think you're competitive under the present rulles structure go and beat up on the kiddies at a go-kart track.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

You guys who want to change this rule are nothing but mamby pambies that are trying to find another crutch to try and win a race in spite of your lack of talent.What next?I heard a few guys saying that when Dave Thomas painted his Corvette flat black that it was because the slower guys couldn't see him coming up on them at night.So now let's see,nobody can paint their car that way,it's an unfair advantage.It's all bull$hit.If you don't think you're competitive under the present rulles structure go and beat up on the kiddies at a go-kart track.

How in equal treatment under the rules, a "crutch"??? We don't have it, with a first red light rule.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by JRyan

I wonder if Kevin Helms and Jerry Emmons would be for the "first or Worst rule" right about now. Roy Hill was the lucky recipient in both cases, and he should go to a driving school near home, or .....

Jerry

If they're not, then they should be...WOW , X2!!!

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Nice Cars/engines Bill!

Thanks, Gary! Someting for a doddering old fool to amuse himelf with, in his dotage....