Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

Actually Alan, there are quite a few of us that apparently are not normal.

Me, Ray Paquet, Ben Wenzel, Fred Henson, Richie Pauley, Doug Baker, Rusty Gillis, Steve Koppein, Steve and Horace Johnson, Jimmy Bridges are just a few off the top of my head.

Correct: If you believe that, you're not normal.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

Actually Alan, there are quite a few of us that apparently are not normal.

Me, Ray Paquet, Ben Wenzel, Fred Henson, Richie Pauley, Doug Baker, Rusty Gillis, Steve Koppein, Steve and Horace Johnson, Jimmy Bridges are just a few off the top of my head.

Alex,

I think his point is that none of those mentioned went to Barret/Jackson last year and spent 100k on a fully restored COPO or Hemi and tore it doen to make a race car. Today a racer would buy a 6cyl car and turn it into a 427 or Hemi car to race. When all those guys bought their cars they weren't 100k cars. In 1977 I bought my Max Wedge ready to race for $2,100.00.....don't thing you can do that now.

JimR

[BadBanana]

Well Alan. I'm not sure where you were in '69 but I'd like to see those records. I had a 427/425 in a Corvette (1966) so I know they were available in Corvettes ( 425 hp and 435 hp); and I went to one of the real performance dealers (and more than 1 to find one). Most of the one's I found were either Baldwin Motion built or Yenko - maybe those numbers you quote consider those..... and I believe the factory ones were ZL1s

What's the point anyway? We're just quibbling to get away from the real issue.
My main and ONLY contention is that NHRA likes the new cars and they will be included in Stock. I doubt if they will make a new separate class or Elim. for them. Maybe they will - who knows !!
Even though it may seem that I am against YOU, I am trying to say that I WANT you guys to be able to fairly compete but I think if you make it a "either them or us" proposition in Stock, you will eventually lose your Eliminator.
Don't fight it, just fight to make it fair (hp factors and indices). It's not productive to fight the inevitable. Accept that they may be included in Stock Elim. and campaign to get the numbers right.
That's my suggestion and I don't have an ax to grind in this battle. Being a long time competitor in both Stock and Super Stock, I would just like to make they are strong and lasting.
That's it for me - peace !!!

[BadBanana]

I see Ben Wenzel is still in the hunt at Indy. Good going Ben. I remember when he won with an early Z-28 (I think). Is it the same car/combination? I ran a Z-28 in F/S back in the early 70s under the Truppi-Kling banner. It held the speed record while Tony Pizzi had the et record. John Burkholder had the hot Z-28 in G/S ('69 Z) back then and founded B&B perf.

[Doug Blackley]

Originally Posted by BadBanana

Once again, you're making progress, Alan. Slow, but some progress. I know about the 409s and Z-11s I had both when they were new. See the segment here about the '62 Nationals on this same site (the Z-11 is pictured there). Ran the 409 in SS/S at the 62 Nats. Received the Z-11 the next Winter and raced in '63.
To your point, when could you actually buy a '69 427/425 Camaro from the factory? Few had them from the factory, and I tried to buy one from my dealer - no dice !!! I settled for a 375hp 396 SS Camaro. Later people like Baldwin and Yenko made them. Back in those days NHRA forced the OEM Manuf. to make at least 50 before they would consider them into S and S/S. Geez, where have I heard that lately ????? My SS/EA started out as a 69 6 cyl Camaro.

We have met the enemy and they are US.

Go to this thread: http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...enko+chevrolet

There is more than enough info including a picture of Yenko Chevrolets back lot with a whole pile of the 427 COPO cars all of which were factory built. The picture is funny in that they have those cars just lying around like an ordinary car lol.

[Pvt Parts]

Originally Posted by Doug Blackley

Go to this thread: http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...enko+chevrolet

There is more than enough info including a picture of Yenko Chevrolets back lot with a whole pile of the 427 COPO cars all of which were factory built. The picture is funny in that they have those cars just lying around like an ordinary car lol.

Yeah, the 425 cars were actually pretty easy get. The dealer I worked at had 2 ZL-1's sitting on the lot and were available to anyone with $7,500.00

[Doug Blackley]

LOL the 100k stocker of it's day. But at least you could actually get off the showroom floor.