GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Peter Ash]

Trying to get all the new cars down to 7lbs/hp is impossible without opening up another giant can of worms for a dozen or so people to start singing the same old tired song AGAIN / STILL.

Ever hear " You can only please some of the people some of the time!! You can't please everyone all the time! !!"

[Bruce Noland]

We polled this issue in the past and the majority of the racers thought the new cars should be placed in their own classes within Stock and Super Stock.

Please go to the Stock, Super Stock & Comp page to take a New Poll. It is a simple yes or no poll. It's an anonymous poll and all nhra and IHRA racers can vote. Go back to the Home Page and scroll all the way down to the racers section. Thanks.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Trying to get all the new cars down to 7lbs/hp is impossible without opening up another giant can of worms for a dozen or so people to start singing the same old tired song AGAIN / STILL.

Ever hear " You can only please some of the people some of the time!! You can't please everyone all the time! !!"

Its really pretty easy. Whatever weight break your car fits in now just becomes a FX class for the '08 and up CJ's, DP's and the fashionably late COPO's. If you fit in CC/S now its just CC/FX, if its E/S now then it would be E/FX. Its really simple, don't over think it you're not trying to reinvent the wheel here. Just parallel the FX classes to their natural S/SS classes that they are in now. Heck I'll even pitch in to buy some of the new FX decals. To me when the owners of these new cars are so against being separated it just sounds like someone doesn't want to loose their .8 advantage on their current class and is scared to compete on a level playing field against equal competition. Then they would have to compete against guys who do know how to make a fast car faster like Bo, Chris, The Southland gang, The Candies gang, etc... Now the $100k they spent on a ringer to beat up on the old cars just went out the window and now they will actually have to compete and work on their cars and show what they are made of.

Peter I tend to stick with the saying "You can't piss everyone off all of the time". This seems to work better for me as feelings just seem to get in the way. I don't pride myself on being politically correct. It seems that so many people in this world have lost their spinal column. Heck I've even seen some peoples bodies reject a spinal transplant LOL for real.

Yeah I know your going to say "nothing is equal or fair" and even ask for us to show you in the rule book where it says all classes should be equal and fair. Just remember what goes around comes around. I'm still young in this sport. I've committed myself to giving this 43 year old combo a shot for sentimental reasons. But if NHRA keeps turning the blind eye just refer back to one of my original post in this thread. With all do respect to the racers that race these cars I'm not above playing the game either and forcing you to run it a little harder than you might expect. Right now it doesn't seem that there are any of these new cars in C or D/S. 99% of them are automatics so I may never get the chance, but if I do...

Merry Christmas!

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Trying to get all the new cars down to 7lbs/hp is impossible without opening up another giant can of worms for a dozen or so people to start singing the same old tired song AGAIN / STILL

Ever hear " You can only please some of the people some of the time!! You can't please everyone all the time! !!"

I think it's more like this:
You can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Or something similar.

Jack the car that you, the oem's and nhra are trying to pass off as a Stocker is just what it says in the rule book. A special production car that has been "placed" in Stock. Many of us recognize these cars for what they are, that is, factory parts counter cars. Or, as some prefer to call them, crate motor race cars.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

How about 1lb.classes from 6 down to 10. A,B,C, D, E. / FX.

Do 1lb breaks make sense for 400+ HP combinations? Even Super Stock has half-pound breaks until you get to 10.00. (I'm surprised that Stock doesn't follow the same weight break structure as Super Stock... 'course the GT classes don't switch to full lb. breaks at 10.00 either...)

What kind of weight breaks make sense for high-HP combinations? ie., something where people have a safe and legitimate way to get close to the minimum weight in at least one of their legal class options?

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Do 1lb breaks make sense for 400+ HP combinations? Even Super Stock has half-pound breaks until you get to 10.00. (I'm surprised that Stock doesn't follow the same weight break structure as Super Stock... 'course the GT classes don't switch to full lb. breaks at 10.00 either...)

What kind of weight breaks make sense for high-HP combinations? ie., something where people have a safe and legitimate way to get close to the minimum weight in at least one of their legal class options?

Do 1/2 lb breaks then and make ten classes. I don't care, they just don't belong in the same classes with cars that were made for street use and sold to the public.