Heard in the Stands at the Indy

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by SC321X

You should have given them a tech card. They would have to write why they failed you on the tech card. When you fixed those listed items they would have to pass you. You gave them too many chances to pick you apart. It seems to me our cars have passed tech several times at points races, it shouldn't be a problem to pass tech at a national event. Sorry for your bad experience and hope it goes better in the future. Just another dumb Racer.

You are probably right. However, I told the tech guys multiple times that I wasn't ready for tech and the one tech guy that actually spoke with me said "no problem". So I wasn't going to hand them my tech card until I was ready. Actually I still have my tech card, stapled to all my paperwork, that is completely blank. Once I made right the 3 things they told me too, being the clutch can, clutch and flywheel spec and certification, I was ready to actually have my car tech'd, as these are the 3 things they said I needed to right so I could race. Which was thursday morning, Q1 day. They still never asked for the tech card, just that they thought about it overnight, and that they found something in the rulebook that my car didn't meet. One of the tech guys, not the head one, did apologize to me, and told me it could of been handled better, but that didn't mean much to me at the time. Looking back, that particular tech guy, at least talked with me, and acknowledged that they didn't handle this properly. That means something to me know. However, the head tech guy, that clearly made this decision, never once said a word to me. Obviously, as the rule is written, my adapter plate didn't meet their rule. Now, I just want to talk with NHRA about why we did the adapter plate the way we did it, and why it'll be extremely difficult and potentially dangerous to make it in the manner that the rulebook is written.

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

According to what is posted here the max space around the crank hub is 1 inch. He admits that his mid plate is cut to the outside dimension of the flywheel. Not all combinations can be run in specific classes with out major modifications. I think the car is really cool but really belongs in comp eliminator. Not really a super stock car in my opinion. I do wish him luck in getting a resolution to the issue. The bellhousing manufacturer should do the engineering and submit the fix to NHRA for approval.

The hole around the crankshaft isn't cut to the outside dimension of the flywheel. Just enough to allow the radius on the back of the flywheel to meet the crankshaft. I would say the over diameter of the hole, if I had to guess, would be about 8" in diameter.

I was entering the car in comp eliminator at this race. We made some changes that would bump us out of Super Stock.

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

Carey
Looking at the picture you posted of the Funny Car, 2 things of note. There is a different rule for the space between the OD of the crank flange and the ID of the hole in the plate for a FC. FC has a limit of 7" max on the hole size, not the 1" difference. Can't tell what the ID is on the one in the photo. Second. if you look at the block plate/firewall it has a recessed area that the flywheel sits in that I think NHRA will likely tell you will be the solution to your problem. Think that piece has to be made by the same manuf as the shield. Just my thoughts and doesn't change the fact that you got hosed.
Like most, I can appreciate the effort you have put in and hope you stick with it. As an old tech man, I can tell you one of the hardest things was telling someone that just because you passed last week doesn't mean you did this week. Doesn't sound like telling you was all that hard for the official you ran into. Just wondering, if you has turned in a tech card, what would you have done about dates on the shield and clutch?

Interesting that funny car has a different ruling on that. So that at least lets me know that they are willing to make revisions to certain rules. My adapter plate does have a recessed area where the flywheel sits. It has too because of where the crank flange is in relation to the block flange. This is a 1/2" adaptor plate, and still has .400" of material where it is recessed for the flywheel. As far as the can, clutch, flywheel, I made that right on wednesday and it was all legal and ready to go.

I'm going to wait to approach NHRA and let the Indy buzz settle down, and for me to calm down even more. I want to approach this without emotion playing any role. And I'm still pretty bitter.

[Mike Pearson]

The hole around the crankshaft isn't cut to the outside dimension of the flywheel. Just enough to allow the radius on the back of the flywheel to meet the crankshaft. I would say the over diameter of the hole, if I had to guess, would be about 8" in diameter.

I was entering the car in comp eliminator at this race. We made some changes that would bump us out of Super Stock.

Carey,
Sorry I misread your description of the hole in the mid plate. I do wish you all of the luck in the world to get this issue resolved and good luck with your car in comp eliminator. I know the feeling when you get bounced for a tech issue. Happened to me at the Gators one year. No Fun. You just have to put it behind you and move on. You will get it!!

[art leong]

Cary I have an idea for a fairly cheap fix to your problem. Atatch a round plate about 7 inches in diameter and very thin (.030 or so) to the crankshaft hub. This becomes part of the crank. so the flange is now 7 inches. So your 8 inch hole is rule book legal.
The 4 cylinder Chryslers use something like that (but the same size as the crank flange) that ataches to the outside of the flex plate to help prevent harmonics from shaking the flexplate bolts loose.
I know how you feel I was furious that they made a big deal about the louvers in my fiberglass fenders. They allowed me to run that race but sent letters about me to all division tech directors so they would be on the lookout for me.
I took off my fiberglass fenders replaced them with metal fenders that were 8 pounds lighter. And painted the whole nose with a rattle can. Telling me to change them would have been fine but the letters to all division offices was over the top.

[boostedf22c]

Art, my flywheel registers and centers on the outside diameter of the crank flange, not the inside. So I'm not sure that would work. The flywheel is actually machined out to where the face of the crank flange recesses into it for centering.

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by 270DART

I think folks are all thinking zebras and not horses in your plight Cary.
With Chevrolet on board sponsoring the event, the huge turnout of the big 3 factory cars, and your performance numbers from last years event; there was NO way a Honda was going to sit on the pole this year. So they clipped your wings before you could fly. I have so much respect for all of you guys who continue coming back after being sucker punched time and time again by the politics that have permeated this particular sanctioning body’s policies.

JJ

Carey had the car entered in Comp (DD/AT) not Super Stock; and the #1 qualifier in Comp was Mike Depalma's 2010 Pontiac GXP in AA/AT. So much for your conspiracy theory.

[Alex Denysenko]

her's one of our customers blowing away a 1200HP AWD TURBO NERD CAR, last weekend at a heads up street/grudge race program event.

[tommy d]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

her's one of our customers blowing away a 1200HP AWD TURBO NERD CAR, last weekend at a heads up street/grudge race program event.

Was the Mustang fast or can the import guy just not drive? Either way I like it!

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by tommy d

Was the Mustang fast or can the import guy just not drive? Either way I like it!

I would vote the latter based on that video.

[cicero819]

I think that the AWD was maybe 400 hp which is still pretty good for a Suburu but way off the 1200hp maybe in his dream. Boostedf22c has one of the meanest Super Stock out there and I think that he's probably close to 1200hp if I'm not too off, he might enlighten us. Alex great looking Mustang but I have to say that the driver had an advantage with being a better driver and also knowing about deep staging, since his opponent was probably clueless on what just happened.lol Nice video. I would love to see Art Leong playing with all those new drivers driving their BMW and Lexus with his mighty steed. I can remember loving my Turbo GLH that I received for free when my neighbor moved many years ago, for a month I help to part young men from their hard earned money, one youngster bet me his Camaro(1983) but after beating him soundly I couldn't take it away from him but took $200 for him to buy his 305 165 hp Camaro back. Did I mention that we had a complete NOS system that finally blew the engine completly apart. Still have the car in the back of my Shop.lolClaude

[boostedf22c]

Yes, we were pretty close to that number with our old setup. We made 1098hp on the dyno at 37psi and ran around 40 at the track. So that would put it around 1160hp hypothetically speaking.