Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! - Page 2

icebrrrg · 10-07-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

I have not had the chance to race much this year, but I have said all along to my divisional staff, if I have to be at a divisional on Friday to get more than one qualifying pass in stock eliminator then chances are I won't be there. Why do I have to sacrifice my qualifying runs on Saturday for all these top junk catagories. Who is even there to watch them? If I can't get Friday off from work and show up Saturday, get one qualifying pass then into eliminations then NHRA doesn't need me. Divisonals were built on Sportsman racing from alcohol classes to stock eliminator. At one time we had Pro stocks at divisionals. Now we have top junk and no spectators .... and I get less qualifying runs and pay more to race .... by the way NHRA I was at the SN at Columbus and the spectator turn out was pathetic.

I agree completely with Chuck. Why do I go to LODRS races? Why do I go to the Gatornationals on Thursday? To see three categories - Comp, Super Stock and Stock. I have no desire whatsoever to watch TD or TS or anything else for which relative performance is absolutely meaningless.

Adger Smith · 10-07-2007, 03:04 PM

I agree with Chuck 100% I copied this from the Div. 4 Website (I hope it doesn't violate any rules)
NEW TECH PROCEDURES FOR D-4 LODRS EVENTS

1. Tech will begin at noon on Thursday at all D-4 LODRS events. There will be Technical Officials onsite to handle tech during this time.

2. Tech for ALL classes will be held in the staging lanes or an area designated by Tech Officials. Any designated area will be announced over the loud speaker at the event.

3. There will be no house calls for COMP, TS, and TD at future events. Tech for these classes will be held in the lanes or designated area.

4. Early Tech will still happen on Fridays at all events. Staging lanes will be designated as cars that are already teched and ready to race and those needing tech. All cars needing tech will go into the same lanes and once a racer has completed tech they will have to then go to the assigned lanes for their class. Tech will not be provided in the lanes where racers are running.

5. Racers are encouraged to take advantage of Thursday tech and early tech on Friday so as not to take a chance on missing time runs.

6. This new procedure goes into effect beginning at the Thunder Valley LODRS event October 12-14, 2007.

Looks like the div races (at least Div 4) are headed toward having to be there 4 days. I really don't understand why we will miss runs on Friday since they have cut Top Sportsman & Top Dragster to 32 car fields. Could there be more time planned for the Top/.90 class shootouts? Could they be doing this to help us get more runs, Or could it be a plan to get us to the motel bars earlier? Draw what ever conclusion you want, but I think running later Friday & Saturday night is better than getting there on Thursday. OH! I forgot some of the Div tracks want to run their bracket program on Sat night... I'm a little concerned with the direction of our sport.
My .02 for Free

William Koski · 10-07-2007, 03:06 PM

There seems to be a belief among some people that TD and TS will draw spectators?
Bracket racing has never drawn any significant number of spectators and that is all this is, fast bracket racing!
Why they have designated qualifying times and bump "real" national classes at all the divisions divisionals is a travesty!

Hokes Racing · 10-07-2007, 09:14 PM

We run in the Jegs Super Quick. the tracks that we go to are packed,and We are Treated like pro at most we started running T/D this year and it is really disappointing how they treat the Sportsman at the Divisionals, I thing the only class that is treated as bad a stock it Super Gas. NHRA has forgot who Pay the way...

Lanny

Rod Greene · 10-08-2007, 12:08 AM

Not only did the schedule suck. But how can you have a 1st class race at a 3rd class facility? It was a cross between PalmDirt and the stench of Bakersfield. The time slip booth was about a 1/4 mile from the scales hidden in the pits. With no comunication between the scale gas check crew no body knew who won a race.The super classes had the pits betweeen the finish line and the staging lanes. Most of the Stock/Superstocks were pitted beyond the staging lanes closest to the garbage dump. The one positive I can say is track prep was good.

Julie Jordan · 10-08-2007, 12:45 AM

Yes, very different track. I've lost lots of ways before but never to the wind. I had a .027 light to my opponent's .081 light, I had a good package and up on the scoreboard pops a 7.95 so, of course I didn't get the win light. Wowza, and my team says I don't know how to work on a car! LOL At the scales the tech officials immediately told us we would have a rerun (there were a total of 4 reruns in Stock). I waited around for our re-run, then the race was put on hold for the wind about 11AM. We had my brother-in-law with us this weekend. He has Stage IV lung cancer. He wasn't feeling that great today and rather than make him more uncomfortable I opted to leave the race. Sure would've been nice to have left with a round win!!

There were no loudspeakers in our pits and I never saw any officials come by alerting us that it's time to run. The only way I knew was if I stayed in the RV listening to the radio or saw a parade of cars going by. And the time slip booth, what the heck is up with that? On test 'n tune it was next to the fuel check so why did it have to get moved on Friday?

But you want to know what really ticked me off? I was stopped by a security guard while in the golf cart. In the cart with me was my dog, Harley. I had just taken him down to the grass area to "do his thing". I was told that I had to keep the dog in my motorhome as dogs weren't allowed at that facility. Yea, right, I'm not going to let the dog out of my motorhome for 3 days!! I've been around racing for many years and never heard of a facility that didn't allow dogs!! I told him I drove 360 miles to get there, that I checked their website before I went for track rules and I wasn't going to keep the dog confined to the motorhome. Later on I heard them announce that they were "turning their heads" for this race about dogs but not to transport them around the pits.

Track prep was good. Other than that, the track is sub-par. I keep telling myself to be thankful we have a track in California again, we have so few. But I'm not sure I'll be back.

dahkahuna · 10-08-2007, 01:17 AM

After being away from the sport for awhile I entered this the SN feeling positive about the race and then here we go again STOCK looses our last QUALIFIER to a series not in the NATIONAL event format. Not only does this happen but after a dragster crashes everyone is informed @ 10:30 that we are postponed till 2:00 pm and a decision will be anounced concerning the windy conditions .Only 2 hours go bye and they are calling ss -s/st and stock now everyone is scrambling to get ready there were definately some singles out there because of a anoucement there would be no racing till 2pm does this Director continue to stumble through making mistake after mistake concerning how this Division should be run NHRA has a rules book with catagories for everyone to compete in yet they use a NHRA SN race to showcase these association races and limit the runs for all the rest . Then to add insult to injury all NHRA NATIONAL events have a entry of $210 for 4days like Las Vegas but here we have to pay for that extra day THURDAY TNT $70 what the hell is that about.$290 to go to a race that they take your last run away .There was 7 cars in my class so class so I had 3 rds.plus 2 qualifiers for a total of 5 passes, do the math almost $60 dollars a run for a race that paid out less than a decent bracket race Director this isn't right or fair. Now I understand that the race wasn't completed and it was carried over to Monday well Mr. Director if you had scheduled the race format to include Thursday your event would have been completed. .

10-07-2007, 03:04 PM	#12
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! I agree with Chuck 100% I copied this from the Div. 4 Website (I hope it doesn't violate any rules) NEW TECH PROCEDURES FOR D-4 LODRS EVENTS 1. Tech will begin at noon on Thursday at all D-4 LODRS events. There will be Technical Officials onsite to handle tech during this time. 2. Tech for ALL classes will be held in the staging lanes or an area designated by Tech Officials. Any designated area will be announced over the loud speaker at the event. 3. There will be no house calls for COMP, TS, and TD at future events. Tech for these classes will be held in the lanes or designated area. 4. Early Tech will still happen on Fridays at all events. Staging lanes will be designated as cars that are already teched and ready to race and those needing tech. All cars needing tech will go into the same lanes and once a racer has completed tech they will have to then go to the assigned lanes for their class. Tech will not be provided in the lanes where racers are running. 5. Racers are encouraged to take advantage of Thursday tech and early tech on Friday so as not to take a chance on missing time runs. 6. This new procedure goes into effect beginning at the Thunder Valley LODRS event October 12-14, 2007. Looks like the div races (at least Div 4) are headed toward having to be there 4 days. I really don't understand why we will miss runs on Friday since they have cut Top Sportsman & Top Dragster to 32 car fields. Could there be more time planned for the Top/.90 class shootouts? Could they be doing this to help us get more runs, Or could it be a plan to get us to the motel bars earlier? Draw what ever conclusion you want, but I think running later Friday & Saturday night is better than getting there on Thursday. OH! I forgot some of the Div tracks want to run their bracket program on Sat night... I'm a little concerned with the direction of our sport. My .02 for Free __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 10-07-2007 at 03:05 PM. Reason: spelling

10-07-2007, 03:06 PM	#13
William Koski Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wave of the Future! There seems to be a belief among some people that TD and TS will draw spectators? Bracket racing has never drawn any significant number of spectators and that is all this is, fast bracket racing! Why they have designated qualifying times and bump "real" national classes at all the divisions divisionals is a travesty!

10-07-2007, 09:14 PM	#14
Hokes Racing Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! We run in the Jegs Super Quick. the tracks that we go to are packed,and We are Treated like pro at most we started running T/D this year and it is really disappointing how they treat the Sportsman at the Divisionals, I thing the only class that is treated as bad a stock it Super Gas. NHRA has forgot who Pay the way... Lanny

10-08-2007, 12:08 AM	#15
Rod Greene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TN Posts: 530 Likes: 417 Liked 242 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! Not only did the schedule suck. But how can you have a 1st class race at a 3rd class facility? It was a cross between PalmDirt and the stench of Bakersfield. The time slip booth was about a 1/4 mile from the scales hidden in the pits. With no comunication between the scale gas check crew no body knew who won a race.The super classes had the pits betweeen the finish line and the staging lanes. Most of the Stock/Superstocks were pitted beyond the staging lanes closest to the garbage dump. The one positive I can say is track prep was good. __________________ Rod Greene Real men shift for them selves. Slowly working on TA Challenger for D,E/S and a 72 Challenger for SS/K, L as if I don't have enough other projects.

10-08-2007, 12:45 AM	#16
Julie Jordan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 637 Likes: 90 Liked 510 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! Yes, very different track. I've lost lots of ways before but never to the wind. I had a .027 light to my opponent's .081 light, I had a good package and up on the scoreboard pops a 7.95 so, of course I didn't get the win light. Wowza, and my team says I don't know how to work on a car! LOL At the scales the tech officials immediately told us we would have a rerun (there were a total of 4 reruns in Stock). I waited around for our re-run, then the race was put on hold for the wind about 11AM. We had my brother-in-law with us this weekend. He has Stage IV lung cancer. He wasn't feeling that great today and rather than make him more uncomfortable I opted to leave the race. Sure would've been nice to have left with a round win!! There were no loudspeakers in our pits and I never saw any officials come by alerting us that it's time to run. The only way I knew was if I stayed in the RV listening to the radio or saw a parade of cars going by. And the time slip booth, what the heck is up with that? On test 'n tune it was next to the fuel check so why did it have to get moved on Friday? But you want to know what really ticked me off? I was stopped by a security guard while in the golf cart. In the cart with me was my dog, Harley. I had just taken him down to the grass area to "do his thing". I was told that I had to keep the dog in my motorhome as dogs weren't allowed at that facility. Yea, right, I'm not going to let the dog out of my motorhome for 3 days!! I've been around racing for many years and never heard of a facility that didn't allow dogs!! I told him I drove 360 miles to get there, that I checked their website before I went for track rules and I wasn't going to keep the dog confined to the motorhome. Later on I heard them announce that they were "turning their heads" for this race about dogs but not to transport them around the pits. Track prep was good. Other than that, the track is sub-par. I keep telling myself to be thankful we have a track in California again, we have so few. But I'm not sure I'll be back. __________________ Julie Jordan 7549 STK

10-08-2007, 01:17 AM	#17
dahkahuna Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: san dimas , calif Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Disappointed, Fontana SN schedule !!! After being away from the sport for awhile I entered this the SN feeling positive about the race and then here we go again STOCK looses our last QUALIFIER to a series not in the NATIONAL event format. Not only does this happen but after a dragster crashes everyone is informed @ 10:30 that we are postponed till 2:00 pm and a decision will be anounced concerning the windy conditions .Only 2 hours go bye and they are calling ss -s/st and stock now everyone is scrambling to get ready there were definately some singles out there because of a anoucement there would be no racing till 2pm does this Director continue to stumble through making mistake after mistake concerning how this Division should be run NHRA has a rules book with catagories for everyone to compete in yet they use a NHRA SN race to showcase these association races and limit the runs for all the rest . Then to add insult to injury all NHRA NATIONAL events have a entry of $210 for 4days like Las Vegas but here we have to pay for that extra day THURDAY TNT $70 what the hell is that about.$290 to go to a race that they take your last run away .There was 7 cars in my class so class so I had 3 rds.plus 2 qualifiers for a total of 5 passes, do the math almost $60 dollars a run for a race that paid out less than a decent bracket race Director this isn't right or fair. Now I understand that the race wasn't completed and it was carried over to Monday well Mr. Director if you had scheduled the race format to include Thursday your event would have been completed. .