2015 Rules

[Charley Downing]

Ed it doesn't hurt me. But how is this rule / new classes going to grow stk and SS? This is the real problem we are facing. Making a rule to please 20 to 30 old farts that race 2-3 times a year makes no sense to me. In the past five years the only new blood we have had is new drivers in 2008 and newer cars. If anything stock should up the year to 1979 and newer cars then all the cry baby's can have something to cry about. I have never seen a sport protect old technology like this.

[Bruce Noland]

Charlie,
The old farts that you are bitching, complaining and crybabying about built this sport. You are a Johnny-come-lately compared to the old farts. And we aren't going away anytime soon. So get used to it.

[brent flynn]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Ed it doesn't hurt me. But how is this rule / new classes going to grow stk and SS? This is the real problem we are facing. Making a rule to please 20 to 30 old farts that race 2-3 times a year makes no sense to me. In the past five years the only new blood we have had is new drivers in 2008 and newer cars. If anything stock should up the year to 1979 and newer cars then all the cry baby's can have something to cry about. I have never seen a sport protect old technology like this.

Im a newbie to Stock, and my car will most likely never see -.8 under , or better...and I'll probably never ever try to qualify at Indy, even though i live 45 mins from the place. That being said, Its not about protecting old technology, its about cars running about 2 or 3 classes lower, than it should. Its not apples to apples. And this letting off at 1000'? Wth is that? Be real men, run the dang thing out, and face the consequences...These guys already know that their HP ratings are BS...
Stockers shouldnt make 900hp.... Just my opinion...hehe

As far as protecting old cars goes, It still seems to me that the % of Stockers are mostly the older cars , so why stick it to those guys?( me being included)

[Ed Carpenter]

So guys like me and say Bill Zaskowski should sell our outdated 66 Chevy II's because were old news?

[D.Johns]

Originally Posted by brent flynn

Stockers shouldnt make 900hp.... Just my opinion...hehe

Who only makes 900hp??? I agree they should make a lot more!

[GarysZ24]

I would be happy about all of the new classes if I were Jason McCormack, or John Calvert, and any other traditional cars in A-F stick and auto classes in stock. Now, once NHRA gets to indexes, I hope they will:

A. Give all of the current/traditional class indexes their three tenths of a second back, as that would make it better for the older cars running against the newer cars in qualifying too.

B. Return the altitude correction factors to what they were (for Stock and Super Stock), instead of the .90 class factors.

I would prefer both, and based on how Indy was this year, I don't think I should be alone in this thought, because with the AHFS out there, any runs that are 1.25 under the index would trigger the hp factor change anyway. My .02 worth.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN ALL!!!!

[jarn05]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Ed it doesn't hurt me. But how is this rule / new classes going to grow stk and SS? This is the real problem we are facing. Making a rule to please 20 to 30 old farts that race 2-3 times a year makes no sense to me. In the past five years the only new blood we have had is new drivers in 2008 and newer cars. If anything stock should up the year to 1979 and newer cars then all the cry baby's can have something to cry about. I have never seen a sport protect old technology like this.

Charlie that is about one of the dumbest things I have ever read on here . Who are you to*pick on "old farts" and why should it matter to you how much someone races? I am 44 years old been racing for almost 30 years technically I'm one of those old farts. I drive a 1964 Hemi belvedere and would never own a 2008 or newer car. So what your saying is screw James Vignogna his car is old tech so he is out? Give me a break!!!!! I would give both nuts a lung and half my brain to have my " old fart" father alive today to drive his Hemi car again, have some friggin respect. And by the way I have young guys in there twenties building old fart cars.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Yea these new rules are really going to help stk and SS grow. I can't wait to see all the old times come back out to race. You know the guys that bi$ch about NHRA, new cars and everything else. I bet will see 200 new stk and SS racers come out in 2015. Ha ha

Ya know, take away his trash talk and b##lbusting and Charliebob does have a good point. IMHO we really don't need any more new classes. It's just watering down the gene pool some more. NHRA reacted exactly the way that NHRA always reacts when they create a problem. Instead of admitting to creating a problem and fixing it, they just create another entirely different problem. They should have just taken a step back from the AHFS and fixed all of their factoring mistakes (old and new) in one shot. As it stands now, we are going to wind up with a "segregated" eliminator just like when we had all of the FI classes. The difference being, with the FI classes, when the factors got in line(relatively) they were brought back into the regular classes. That will not be as easily done with these new classes as they are combining sticks and autos and (I'm guessing) changing the indexes.
And maybe I should just keep my opinions to myself seeing as, of all the cars I own, none of them runs higher than P. Oh yeah, there are still some of those factoring mistakes bouncing around that can kick the snot out of my stuff.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, take away his trash talk and b##lbusting and Charliebob does have a good point. IMHO we really don't need any more new classes. It's just watering down the gene pool some more. NHRA reacted exactly the way that NHRA always reacts when they create a problem. Instead of admitting to creating a problem and fixing it, they just create another entirely different problem. They should have just taken a step back from the AHFS and fixed all of their factoring mistakes (old and new) in one shot. As it stands now, we are going to wind up with a "segregated" eliminator just like when we had all of the FI classes. The difference being, with the FI classes, when the factors got in line(relatively) they were brought back into the regular classes. That will not be as easily done with these new classes as they are combining sticks and autos and (I'm guessing) changing the indexes.
And maybe I should just keep my opinions to myself seeing as, of all the cars I own, none of them runs higher than P. Oh yeah, there are still some of those factoring mistakes bouncing around that can kick the snot out of my stuff.

Billy, the problem is that those cars, and especially the factory programs, simply don't fit in Stock, the way Stock is structured, and they cannot be made to. They don't really fit into Super Stock, either.

So, unlike the fuel injected production street cars, you'll never be able to merge them back into the regular classes, and it has nothing to do with them having stick and automatics combined.

So long as those programs continue, you will have paper cars built out of the parts catalogs, and intentionally assigned extremely bogus factors. It is the way those programs are designed and intended to work. It allows the factories to participate for the smallest possible investment, and still have their cars go extremely fast.

Since NHRA evidently has no desire to create one or two entirely new eliminators, the closest they can come to leveling the field is adding separate classes to the two existing eliminators for the factory programs. I'd love to see those cars truly separated, as much for their own benefit as well as for the rest of us.

The truth is, in a completely separate eliminator of their own, they could really be showcased, and do a lot of good for the factories and for drag racing. There is no telling what they could grow those classes into, there's almost no limit, provided it is done right.

The Super Stock version of a class like that could be the second coming of Pro Stock, much the way Pro Stock began, properly managed. Unfortunately, I don't think NHRA wants to do that, and I don't think they have enough of the right people to do it, and I expect the number of those people to continue to decline.

[Nick Heath]

Imagine that, the factory cars got their own classes, like everyone was asking for...and people are STILL complaining!!!