stockers

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by e vassar

IMO ..we have a group of the most knowledgeable and experienced drivers and class car builders ever assembled right here
So if you're going to accuse people or a whole group of people of cheating, you should list these items here and let the group address them.
Otherwise your just wasting bandwidth.

Ok, I ll bite......you have a bunch of NEWBIES that don’t know OR understand all the rules in stock Eliminator....I had a phone conversation with a SEASONED racer yesterday. He was at the Reynolds open walking through the pits and saw a crank trigger on a stocker.......WTF ?????? Of course TECH is done online as a result of the CHINESE VIRUS so that adds to the fact that many of these new racers are not getting looked at....
I have raced forever and I don’t even know the CURRENT rule on e shift, air shift, electric shift....I have heard some FSS Stockers and even some CARB Stockers have assistance shifting their trans....I do know that e shift is legal on efi combos.....

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

.....saw a crank trigger on a stocker.....

Depends on the car. It is legal on a 1992-98 LT motor.

[jeff_kovalik]

Originally Posted by e vassar

IMO ..we have a group of the most knowledgeable and experienced drivers and class car builders ever assembled right here
So if you're going to accuse people or a whole group of people of cheating, you should list these items here and let the group address them.
Otherwise your just wasting bandwidth.

I accused no one of anything. I (and others with me) did observe a decent amount of items that are not legal according to the rules in the Stock Eliminator section of the current NHRA rule book.

That’s the truth and I have the right to share that on this site as a part of this tread that I did not start.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by jeff_kovalik

I (and others with me) did observe a decent amount of items that are not legal according to the rules in the Stock Eliminator section of the current NHRA rule book.

I know that a lot more Stock racers read this site than post on it. I would think that you would be doing a good deed if you posted your observations. You wouldn't have to identify the driver, car, or event. Just point out the infraction.

For example, "No 2013 COPO came with a supercharger".

If we really want to save this class and not hurt feelings at the track protesting everyone, it might be time for a little "self policing"?

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by jeff_kovalik

My two cents...

After many years of bracket racing, watching class racing from the other side of the fence, and helping several friends with their S/SS cars, I was finally able to put together my own (first) stock eliminator car. I stepped in deep, going right to A/SA with a 440 Six Pack Challenger. Most would say that's crazy, but I have gained a lot of knowledge over the years and have great support from many experienced class racers, so I felt that I could put something together that was decent. It has been a struggle to have the rulebook in one hand, a wrench on the other and put a car together that runs under the index. It should not be easy, but it should be possible - by the rules.

The double race (Sportsnats & LODRS) at National Trail Raceway this year was an eye-opener. With the message that Indy would not have class eliminations, it was clearly "the" race to be at because there was possibly no other opportunity to get that always sought after class win. WOW, what a field of cars... it drew the best cars from around the country and they put on a show. I was personally very observant of the Stock eliminators that were in attendance. I was appalled at the some of the blatant visible illegal items on many cars. If some racers are brazen enough to install those parts on their cars, knowing full well they are not legal...it makes you wonder what is inside the engine & trans? I am all for being creative and smart. Testing, testing and more testing of new parts, new settings, moving cams, moving weight, chassis settings... It becomes almost an obsession, and I really enjoy the challenge, but the rulebook is always in arms reach.

This should not be easy...class racing is special, and stock is the most difficult IMO. I have talked to so many people (mostly bracket racers) not familiar with stock and when you explain the rules, they just shake their heads and ask "how???" I love that reaction.

Some have said I'm naive, some have said "it's stock, and nothing is stock", some have said "they all cheat because they never get checked"

None of those statements is acceptable.

We have a rulebook, and the racers that choose to participate in class racing need to have the integrity to follow it. As soon as a racer knowingly makes the decision to put the rulebook aside, they become the problem. NHRA has a process to challenge other racers, and frankly I'm surprised it doesn't get used more often. If I had a fast class car (I don't) and someone paid the fee to have me torn down, I would consider it a compliment. In my eyes, to be fast, protested, and passing tear down, should earn a Wally!

I wish everyone the best, safe racing for all!

^^

Yep

Back in 2013-2015 when I was setting records and going thru all the teardowns, I occasionally took the T-Bird to local brackets.
Some were curious about the car after seeing the 4 cyl. Stocker run 11's and would stop by my pit area.


They had questions and after I explained what Stock Eliminator was about and all the restrictions and rules, and what I had to go thru after setting records, the typical response was " screw that....sounds like a lot of work "

My response : " Yes, and that is why very few people do it "

lol

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by stock1080

Another point, how can a "stocker" engine cost $20k? I just saying, or am I envious?
I been apart a few times and passed, I know I feel ok about my car, and "ok" is good enough for me.

Easy I have already exceeded 20K and I'm not paying anyone to build it. I'm paying for top quality machine work, completed heads and a carb but other than that I'm doing all the work myself. I built a faster super-gas motor based on the same engine for 1/2 the money. If you want to maximize hp on a stocker and run closer to the top the cost go way up.