HP Adjustments are posted

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

The '86 T-Bird 302 combo ( 150 hp ) has been 197 h.p. since Jan. 01, 2015

So it's not a reduction

Could it have been increased to 200 since 2015 then reduced back to 197 1/1/2021? Because the current guide shows the date of 1/1/2021 for the 197 hp rating.

Edited to add: I did a little digging and this combo did get a HP increase at the end of 2018 from 197 to 200.

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...311&zoneid=132

[Whalen3186]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Could it have been increased to 200 since 2015 then reduced back to 197 1/1/2021? Because the current guide shows the date of 1/1/2021 for the 197 hp rating.

Edited to add: I did a little digging and this combo did get a HP increase at the end of 2018 from 197 to 200.

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...311&zoneid=132

According to Nitro Joe’s Stats Nanette Stein was running this combo at Sonoma LODRS and ran faster than -.65 in qualifying and first round. If that is indeed true, how did it qualify for a reduction?

DRC lists the entry as an 89 so I’m not sure which is true.
https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Whalen3186

According to Nitro Joe’s Stats Nanette Stein was running this combo at Sonoma LODRS and ran faster than -.65 in qualifying and first round. If that is indeed true, how did it qualify for a reduction?

DRC lists the entry as an 89 so I’m not sure which is true.
https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

The 1989 would not be correct because it isn't in the guide as a 302 150 factory 200 NHRA rated. It would have to be a 1986 as Nitro Joe indicates. From the AHFS rule book "In addition, the engine family must NOT make two runs of 0.650 or quicker or any run 0.850 or quicker during the past two (2) review periods, for the review to continue."

The Sonoma divisional wasn't a mineshaft race so those two runs alone would have made the combo ineligible IF the NHRA followed their own rule book, but who knows why they do what they do.

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by Whalen3186

According to Nitro Joe’s Stats Nanette Stein was running this combo at Sonoma LODRS and ran faster than -.65 in qualifying and first round. If that is indeed true, how did it qualify for a reduction?

DRC lists the entry as an 89 so I’m not sure which is true.
https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2020#indextop

That car isn't a 1989 T Bird

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Could it have been increased to 200 since 2015 then reduced back to 197 1/1/2021? Because the current guide shows the date of 1/1/2021 for the 197 hp rating.

Edited to add: I did a little digging and this combo did get a HP increase at the end of 2018 from 197 to 200.

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...311&zoneid=132

Not sure.

There used to be a line on NHRA's site about the 3 year deal. They have since deleted it.
Used to be a combo was not eligible for a reduction for 3 years after an increase.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Not sure.

There used to be a line on NHRA's site about the 3 year deal. They have since deleted it.
Used to be a combo was not eligible for a reduction for 3 years after an increase.

You can see from my link it was increased 2 years ago, but the time frame doesn't matter because this is the AHFS rule regarding past increases. "Once an engine family receives a horsepower increase it is not eligible for a decrease."

That is only one of the reasons why it shouldn't be eligible. The other one is what Drew pointed out. That combo had too many runs -.650 or quicker. There are multiple reasons why it wouldn't be eligible based on the rules as written, but it appears those are only suggestions. Or more commonly referred to by the NHRA as "clerical errors."

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Or more commonly referred to by the NHRA as "clerical errors."

For those keeping score, CLERICAL ERRORS .....is code name for Pat Cevengros ....

[MikeMoller]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

Makes you wonder. I don't see anyone running that combo on Nitro Joes stats. I was told that no runs, no HP reduction will be considered directly by Pat. Guess that rule was just for me.

I was told by Pat C that if the NHRA HP was less than the factory hp it could be considered for a reduction. Most of the reductions fit that, but not all. Curious.Also, the 76 and 77 305 novas both got hit, but only the 77 had runs to cause the hit. They didn't do that to the 302 FFFFords 75-78.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by MikeMoller

I was told by Pat C that if the NHRA HP was less than the factory hp it could be considered for a reduction. Most of the reductions fit that, but not all. Curious.Also, the 76 and 77 305 novas both got hit, but only the 77 had runs to cause the hit. They didn't do that to the 302 FFFFords 76-78.

In the case of the reduction I was referring to had the NHRA HP and Factory HP the same before this reduction of 26 hp which was a 10% gift. Pretty big one by anybody's standard.

Pat C told me that no runs will not get any consideration for a HP reduction. This combo didn't have any runs nor was it meeting the other criteria that he quoted you. Makes me question the motive, but they don't care what we think. That is the only constant.