CLASS RACER wall of SHAME ....

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Gregg Luneack

Class racer's push the rules, isn't what class racing is about?
There is nothing new here, racer's have been disqualified for two
much lift, wrong wheel base, turn signal not working, you name it.
I have been class racing since the 60,s, hell yes I'm old, and it's the same
now as then.For those of you that are up set consider that if you pay someone
to build you an engine and you don't check every part ,you could be illegal.
I think most racer's play by the rules, the real problem is NO TECH. When
racer's know there is no tech they are going to push things to the limit.
Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say
about that?

Gregg Luneack is absolutely correct. Since the beginning of time racers have been DQ ed.....NHRA sent me packing twice , too much valve spring pressure and stainless valves when they were a NO NO ....I took it like a man , fixed my issues ...and returned to the track. A couple of thou over on camshaft lift, a few grams under the rod,piston weight, 800 cfm q-jet when specs call for a 750, ....hey it happens, racers make mistakes ......

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Gregg Luneack

Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?

and this too!

[DG]

"Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?" Greg Luneack


Since we know NHRA doesn't have the man power, I think we should be talking about what counter measures can be enacted through the rules that make electronic cheating less feasible. What changes are racers willing to tolerate, that make it more difficult to cheat?

Are we willing to give up drive shaft speed sensors?

Are we willing to use NHRA certified ignition boxes and tachs? Ignitions and tachs that could allow NHRA to easily plug in a diagnostic device to see if its been tampered with?

Are we willing to have qualified fields that make it difficult to sandbag. I believe down track timing controls are more effective if your able to run a dial in (drive shaft speed profile) that are 3-4 tenths slower than the car is capable of running.

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

Should a separate Nostalgia Stock and Super Stock class be created that prohibits programmable ignitions such as the grid. Maybe run cable drive tachs again? Let the new EFI cars run whatever they want in their own class?

I don't know what the answer is, but I am interested in it what others think will work to deter electronic cheating. NHRA clearly is on our side when it comes to prohibiting electronic cheating, but we need to be realistic about what can be reasonably expected from NHRA Tech without changes to make their job easier.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by DG

"Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?" Greg Luneack


Since we know NHRA doesn't have the man power, I think we should be talking about what counter measures can be enacted through the rules that make electronic cheating less feasible. What changes are racers willing to tolerate, that make it more difficult to cheat?

Are we willing to give up drive shaft speed sensors?

Are we willing to use NHRA certified ignition boxes and tachs? Ignitions and tachs that could allow NHRA to easily plug in a diagnostic device to see if its been tampered with?

Are we willing to have qualified fields that make it difficult to sandbag. I believe down track timing controls are more effective if your able to run a dial in (drive shaft speed profile) that are 3-4 tenths slower than the car is capable of running.

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

Should a separate Nostalgia Stock and Super Stock class be created that prohibits programmable ignitions such as the grid. Maybe run cable drive tachs again? Let the new EFI cars run whatever they want in their own class?

I don't know what the answer is, but I am interested in it what others think will work to deter electronic cheating. NHRA clearly is on our side when it comes to prohibiting electronic cheating, but we need to be realistic about what can be reasonably expected from NHRA Tech without changes to make their job easier.

One year at St Louis NHRA pulled us all over after a TT and went over our wiring. They supplied the floor jacks if needed and they really looked them over. The tech guy I had questioned one particular wire and he ask me " where does this wire go" ? For the life of me, I don't know why I said what I said. I answered " that goes to my delay box" ! In my mind, I said Trans Brake. But that's not what came out of my mouth. My brother gave me that what the ? look.. LOL. I realized what I had said and quickly rephrased my answer. But the damage was already done ... I was there for a while .. LOL

[bykr]

With everything you can do with the new fuel injection systems, is there really anything that can be done to curb the electronic cheating?

[Pete Beau]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

One year at St Louis NHRA pulled us all over after a TT and went over our wiring. They supplied the floor jacks if needed and they really looked them over. The tech guy I had questioned one particular wire and he ask me " where does this wire go" ? For the life of me, I don't know why I said what I said. I answered " that goes to my delay box" ! In my mind, I said Trans Brake. But that's not what came out of my mouth. My brother gave me that what the ? look.. LOL. I realized what I had said and quickly rephrased my answer. But the damage was already done ... I was there for a while .. LOL

Doh

[Whalen3186]

Originally Posted by DG

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

This is already happening. $340 is a very premium entry fee to enter a National event and run for a winner's purse of $1200. $180 entry at a Divisional to race for $1000 is also a steep entry that should include allowances for proper tech support.

The tech guys that we interact with at races do a great job. This isn't on them. NHRA is responsible for keeping a fair playing field and giving tech the authority to do their job.

[DG]

The tech guys that we interact with at races do a great job. This isn't on them. NHRA should is responsible for keeping a fair playing field and giving tech the authority to do their job.[/QUOTE]


To be clear, I am not putting this on the tech guys in any way.

[nhramnl]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

I firmly believe that the time has come for a CLASS RACER wall of SHAME. In the last few years the actions of just a FEW racers has really TARNISHED the CLASS in CLASS RACER. ...LARRY HILL posed an interesting question on another thread. What about the racers that were BEATEN by a car that was ultimately DQ ed ?????? Think about that for a minute or two ????? ........

The title of the thread is CLASS RACER wall of SHAME, yet there is actually on ONE name mentioned (and he got booted for a "judgment" infraction). THIS is why drag racing is in the shape it is, to no small degree. Nobody will actually pin the tail on the donkey. There have been hundreds of examples of absolutely blatant cheating throughout the past decades, but the offender is either not punished at all, or is given a DQ for that race. If we all think back to the good old days, we remember that a good competitive Super Stock car could be built (in its entirety) for the price of a really good set of heads and an intake manifold today. Ported heads? Used to be illegal. Million-dollar aftermarket rotating assemblies with Honda rod journals? Same thing. Racing continues to grow more and more expensive (and therefore illogical), because nobody (and not just NHRA) takes truly decisive action against cheating. Laws don't stop behavior... enforcement does.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by nhramnl

The title of the thread is CLASS RACER wall of SHAME, yet there is actually on ONE name mentioned (and he got booted for a "judgment" infraction). THIS is why drag racing is in the shape it is, to no small degree. Nobody will actually pin the tail on the donkey. There have been hundreds of examples of absolutely blatant cheating throughout the past decades, but the offender is either not punished at all, or is given a DQ for that race. If we all think back to the good old days, we remember that a good competitive Super Stock car could be built (in its entirety) for the price of a really good set of heads and an intake manifold dy has any balls....today. Ported heads? Used to be illegal. Million-dollar aftermarket rotating assemblies with Honda rod journals? Same thing. Racing continues to grow more and more expensive (and therefore illogical), because nobody (and not just NHRA) takes truly decisive action against cheating. Laws don't stop behavior... enforcement does.

Ya know, you are ABSOLUTELY correct......Because of PC , nobody has any BALLS .... Why don’t you PIN THE TAIL ON THE DONKEY and reveal your REAL name. Until then ......