index lowering

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Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Our division 7 rep is polling at the Vegas race and the word is AHFS would stay the same.
Many agree that AHFS has hurt Stock & Super Stock, and that indexes have not kept pace with technology advances and and rules changes.

Lowering indexes will reduce the impact of AHFS. I think that's a good thing

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Clarity helps at 11:00 PM you mention Div. Reps to me that is an official and that to meant Matt was conducting a poll. If you are talking about the Rules Committee I know where to find their info for contact when I get home because as I am done thrashing here at the track until this all blows over and is decided since I know I cannot just magically find horsepower and buy more and through a lot of hard work I have to manufacture it myself with this under powered tiny tot. NHRA started my mission in 1993 at 110, dropped me back after a review to factory in Spring of 1996 to a diet goal I had no clue at the time to reach (it took 25 years of research and a whole lot of rules changes in the book finally open to me to get it...the weight off and moved into the right places to perform crappy at altitude and quite ok at sea level ...still not stellar but I cannot race at sea level much.

The O.P. wast texted by Div. Rep., 2nd poster said Div. 7 Rep. (my bad gentlemen I assumed that was Matt).

Div. Reps are officials please use names since their positions are official as this is an Association we all are members of so the rest of us also are or can be included in the conversation and same for any polling by using official channels as that is critical. It is just nice to know who to lobby and whose wheels need greasing or is about to be greased, and who's is about to get locked up tight as a drum.

As he is only polling certain people as I have been out here since Tuesday evening and I am not that hard to find. I have a lot of history not on index dropping but HP additions and it is all the same in the end the HP/weight carried. Someone wants to instantly send me back to 1993 and my very 1st pass in the car, I will get vocal.

Or I'll lay down, die and come back to specifically haunt everyone who had a hand in ruining my golden years.

If the issue is the AHFS go after that so it is solved fairly from top down for every class in the categories.

Data isn't just recent, the data is historical and goes back a lot further Bobby. And one thing NHRA has is mountains of historical data...They know the answers, sometimes they do not like sharing it though. Sometimes it is embarrassing and you know how they feel about lawsuit threats (or even the thought of the possibility in our overly used litigation world), even though all members agree and are prohibited from filing any, and we all know where to find
that info as it is in that golden book we all have access to.

[Sam Capizzi Jr]

For me this is a horrible idea and would effectively end my days trying to support the class. Ive spent 1000s of dollars (on a shoe string budget) just to try to just and run the damn ss index in the heat. If you wanna keep these classes going and attract new younger racers this isnt the way.

Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..

FIX THE SYSTEM! AFHS system needs to use 1/8 mile data, have a mineshaft rule & a hard trigger! Hit the Trigger, Tear down and HP.

lowering the indexes just puts a bandaid on a bigger problem.

[Herbie Null]

For me this is a great idea, I have spent 10,000s of dollars and over built my combo only to get HP if I go too fast. Should have just built it to go 5 under and then bracket race it in super stock. Instead of worrying about the new blood coming in maybe think about the majority, which is the old blood that?s just about had enough with this punish the hard working performance guys. I understand both sides, but it?s definitely not fun anymore if you enjoy the performance side of class racing.

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Sam Capizzi Jr

Why in the world would any racer in their 20s-40s spend 10x the money to run stock or ss when they can just put a delay box and throttle stop on the car..

they're not which is why I stated

This is going to die, the only question that remains is when. My guess in 10-15 years you'll have less than half the class racers you do today. What little new blood interested in drag racing, are going bracket racing where at least they have a chance of winning money that will allow them to be more competitive. Further they don't have to deal with NHRA's rules nor take a week off of work to compete at a 3 day event where you spend most of that time doing no racing.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Our division 7 rep is polling at the Vegas race and the word is AHFS would stay the same.
Many agree that AHFS has hurt Stock & Super Stock, and that indexes have not kept pace with technology advances and and rules changes.
Lowering indexes will reduce the impact of AHFS. I think that's a good thing

One thing that definitely needs lowered with the AHFS is the .65 under run to count towards the engine average. Right now almost half of the cars out there don?t make a run that counts. If you keep it at .65, that?s like raising it to .85. I suggested it be returned to .35 under.

[Ron Ortiz]

Raise the indexes three tenths for the slower cars, and lower the index three tenth for the faster ones. Set the trigger at two seconds and have at it.

or

Have everybody go to the barn.

[SDmopar]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

One thing that definitely needs lowered with the AHFS is the .65 under run to count towards the engine average. Right now almost half of the cars out there don?t make a run that counts. If you keep it at .65, that?s like raising it to .85. I suggested it be returned to .35 under.

AFHS would work better if the Combos under .65 average got HP taken off automatically.

You should also have to have a Minimum and Maximum car count. Need at least 20 runs to get HP off. And take the Top 70% to add HP

[Dan Bennett]

Huge congratulations to Avery for looking at real numbers, though as he mentioned, may be skewed by people detuning to game the system.

For something like this that makes a major impact in how races turn out, the NHRA should have been doing (and publishing this) since day one. But sadly, the outcome they're looking for is 180 out from what racers want.

[55 Chevy]

Pretty simple actually.

Leave the indexes where they are and drop all the trigger points by 2 tenths. First one starts at -1.2 instead of -1.0 and so on. That way the fast guys can go up to that much quicker before being looked at or given H.P. Leave it like that for a year and see. Possible it may need to be dropped another 10th or more.

Currently the people close to getting hit are always lifting at 1000' and/or on the brakes or tuning their car(s) accordingly. Sounds almost like S/G not running trying to run under 9.90. Must be awful boring when the car can run quicker but you rarely(T & T, National Open, Bracket Race, Indy) get a chance to show what it has without getting penalized. And the worry on the way to get your time slip if you unfortunately went just a bit too fast. Can definitely see their point.

As far as when NHRA collects the data not sure on that one. -.65 to -.85 is not the answer though. Not a high or low enough range.

If they were to lower the indexes by .20 the fast people would then tune their cars to run back as close to the trigger point as they were before. Problem not solved and back in the same boat.

Not sure about the other divisions but D6 has a lot of Class Racers that will not be running in 15-20 years. Tons of grey out there. Can't see it getting any better as how many young fellas have the money or the time and patience to run a Class car. If we don't get a good amount of new blood running S/SS its not looking promising up in the Pacific Northwest.

[340Cuda]

I don't see anyway lowering the indexes will increase car count and that is what we need.

I also think it will deter new racers from getting into Stock and Super Stock.

We need replacements for old guys like me that have aged out

Bill Lamb