Yet another bogu horsepower factor

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Great Idea! Now everybody will just be dumping at the 330!

You would have to get every racer running that same combo to dump, not just one car. If it is an oddball combo that no one else runs,then it probably isn't that good to begin with and needs a lower factor anyway. Trying to get racers to stick together is like getting Congress to agree, so the chances of getting the same racers to dump the same amount is slim.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Lynn McCarty has posted the solution to the AHFS problems repeatedly.

NHRA is not going to do it.

In fact, the AHFS solution and the changes necessary to make it work quickly were presented to NHRA by some of the SRAC members nearly two years ago. NHRA rejected it out of hand without even considering it. Several long time racers were involved in creating a solution, but NHRA does not care and will not be bothered with it.

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Also, I have repeatedly suggested that NHRA take ALL of the data that they've collected all these years, do the 1000' run completion in the spreadsheet, and factor EVERYTHING once, right now, and then be done with it for years. If everything was factored *properly* based on the performance provided by their current rules, then everybody could run flat out. Then again, if everybody ran flat out, they would get factored properly eventually and then they could run flat out w/o fear of getting (more) HP, but people would rather game the system and then complain about the system. 'Course a little common sense would go a long way toward factoring combinations too, but NHRA has proven with the new cars that they don't care. I *do* think they know better, I just don't think they care. (The higher-ups, powers-that-be types... I think there are a lot of really great individuals working *for* them, that just don't have the power to make things right). What's anybody going to do about it?

Just do McCarty's system and be done with it.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

You would have to get every racer running that same combo to dump, not just one car. If it is an oddball combo that no one else runs,then it probably isn't that good to begin with and needs a lower factor anyway. Trying to get racers to stick together is like getting Congress to agree, so the chances of getting the same racers to dump the same amount is slim.

I don't think you have been at the same races I've been at. Most of the faster (under index) cars are dumping early. Some even opt to "lose" class to protect their combo.
And as far as the "oddball combos" go I like your idea. I run an oddball combo. I'm sure most of the racers agree that my index needs to be softened. LOL

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

what is your idea billy?

Start using all of the eigth mile numbers!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Start using all of the eigth mile numbers!

How about doing away with the 1000ft numbers totally just give the 60', and the 1/8 mile times

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by art leong

How about doing away with the 1000ft numbers totally just give the 60', and the 1/8 mile times

Even with just 60' and 660' times, you can interpolate 1/4-mile times, so you will still have people dumping to game the system, while having enough data to race by. You need to fix the *system*, or better yet, just factor everybody now based on years of collected data. See previous posts.

[Charley Downing]

There will always be a way to get around any system that is in place. If you use 1/8 mile times people will lift a 330.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

There will always be a way to get around any system that is in place. If you use 1/8 mile times people will lift a 330.

Hey, didn't Billy say that already.

[Ron Ortiz]

Would all of you people go back and read my post. You all need to get ahold of those five people in that Committee.

They already have all the incrimental times, they have been gathering information for the past year. It has been presented to the Comp Comm already. What are they doing about it, they are ignoring it. Don't you all get it! If you want results put pressure on this Comm.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA do not be stupid, take action

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Would all of you people go back and read my post. You all need to get ahold of those five people in that Committee.

They already have all the incrimental times, they have been gathering information for the past year. It has been presented to the Comp Comm already. What are they doing about it, they are ignoring it. Don't you all get it! If you want results put pressure on this Comm.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA do not be stupid, take action

Ron how should they decide what HP? What criteria? By Compression? By Camshaft? By Carb/Throttle body? Different engines respond to different things.
My camshaft is only .492 lift. And I can run anything I want. Bigger cams have been tried but they don't seem to work. If my motor had .580 lift or so it wouldn't get out of it's own way.
It will take some time but it will work itself out.
The Hemi stocker guys had fits when the street hemi E body got hit a few years ago.
Well back in the "good old days" that motor was 440 hp. NHRA decided that 425 (factory number) was to low So they made it 440 in stock and 480 in superstock. Before a car ever went down the track.
Is this what you want to return to?