Rambler All-American - Page 10

Hemi Moose · 03-19-2012, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle

1512 made, no autos to my knowledge...all 4 speeds.

Tom thanks, that's good to know...could you post any other info or photo's that you might have on these '69 SC/Ramblers...very cool looking performance cars.

Tom keedle · 03-19-2012, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Tom thanks, that's good to know...could you post any other info or photo's that you might have on these '69 SC/Ramblers...very cool looking performance cars.

i'm in no way an expert on the sc/ramblers but here's a place to start;

http://www.amazingmusclecars.com/1512registry/guest.php

http://www.the1512hurstscramblerregi...ng_history.php

Paul Ceasrine · 03-20-2012, 12:48 PM

1969 AMC SC/Rambler

Was a result of a collaboration between AMC's Walt Czamecki and
Dave Landrith from Hurst Performance Research.

On February 13, 1969, AMC had a press release, announcing the partnership deal with Hurst Performance.

The heart of the SC/Rambler was the 390 V-8.
It's 315 HP peak came on relatively early at 4600 RPM,
but there was a barrel full of low-end torque, at 425 lb-ft @3200 RPM.

For a high performance engine, the compression was somewhat mild at 10.2 -1 with flat top pistons.

Atop the cast iron dual-plane high rise intake manifold, was a
Carter AFB (625 CFM) with 1.44" primaries and 1.69" secondaries.

Log-style exhaust manifolds dumped to 2.25" dual-exhaust with
genuine Thrush glass-packs and chrome angle-tipped exhaust tips.

While AMC didn't offer any other engine choices for the SC/Rambler,
dealers could direct buyers to the Group 19 parts book.

The Borg-Warner T-10 (Close-ratio) was the cars only transmission, fitted with
a Hurst Competition/Plus shifter with Hurst linkage, and Hurst 'T' handle.

The rear-end was a Dana 20 unit, fitted with 3.54 gears and a
Twin-Grip limited slip differential. Heavy-duty universal joints were installed,
to help spin the power.

The SC/Rambler utilized the same unit body as the Rogue, but to handle
the 390's torque, additional frame mounts were fitted to accept
the AMX's torque-links.

Up front, the SC/Rambler utilized an independent front suspension with
unequal length upper and lower control arms, coil springs and
tubular shocks, as well as a large stabilizer bar.

At the rear, the live axle was mounted to semi-elliptical leaf springs and
torque-links. The left shock was staggered to control wheel hop.
Mounting-plates were welded to the frame for this specific suspension
design.

Inside the SC/Rambler, a charcoal vinyl split-bench seat with
red/white/blue striped head-rests was up front. A three-spoke steering wheel
with a plastic wood grain rim greeted the driver.

A huge Sun S635 8000 RPM Tachometer was strapped to the
steering column.

Initially, only 500 were to be produced. These 'first' 500 were painted Bright White with Bright Red flanks,
a wide Bright Blue stripe on the deck-lid and roof, and Bright Blue wheels.

This was known as the 'A' paint scheme. On the hood was the
'Mail Box' hood scoop. Just in case no one noticed it, a large
blue arrow pointed directly where the cold air was headed was
painted on the hood, red lettered '390 Cu. In' was the engine call-out
in between the blue arrow, and red lettered 'AIR' was placed on the hood scoop.

Paint Scheme 'A'

Hemi Moose · 03-20-2012, 01:01 PM

PC, great write up on the specs on the '69 SC/Rambler.

Paul Ceasrine · 03-20-2012, 03:44 PM

Moose,

Great photo post as usual,,,,,,,,,,,,you are the best...

More on the SC/Rambler,

Featuring a Borg-Warner T-10 close-ratio all-syncromesh transmission with;
(1st; 2.23) (2nd; 1.73) (3rd; 1.35) (4th; 1.00) ratios.

Also, a special heavy-duty clutch set-up.

Sub-frame connectors between the front and rear sub-frames.
A special steel plate riveted in the trunk, to provide for additional shock tower support.
Brackets for the sub-frame ends, that bolted to a threaded portion of
the sub-frame.

Hemi Moose · 03-20-2012, 04:15 PM

Tom keedle · 03-20-2012, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Moose,

Great photo post as usual,,,,,,,,,,,,you are the best...

More on the SC/Rambler,

Featuring a Borg-Warner T-10 close-ratio all-syncromesh transmission with;
(1st; 2.23) (2nd; 1.64) (3rd; 1.31) (4th; 1.00) ratios.

Also, a special heavy-duty clutch set-up.

Sub-frame connectors between the front and rear sub-frames.
A special steel plate riveted in the trunk, to provide for additional shock tower support.
Brackets for the sub-frame ends, that bolted to a threaded portion of
the sub-frame.

the subframe connectors were on all 69 ramblers (americans) and i've been told that it was a mid year 68 thing

i have a 69 2dr sedan and it has the subframe connectors...

unless we're talking about 2 different things

Paul Ceasrine · 03-20-2012, 11:42 PM

There it is, on the SC/Rambler Hurst specification sheet.

#3160 lbs. (10.03 Wt/Hp Factor),,,,,,,F/Stock
or
Super Stock (SS/J)

Does anybody remember if the listed weight of the car was exaggerated by AMC to get the car into F/Stock (10.00 - 10.49 Wt/Hp).

Some say E/Stock for 1969, and others say F/Stock.

The 1967 Rogue hardtop with the 343 engine weighed in at #2971 lbs. Where was the other 189 lbs.

pc

Tom keedle · 03-21-2012, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

There it is, on the SC/Rambler Hurst specification sheet.

#3160 lbs. (10.03 Wt/Hp Factor),,,,,,,F/Stock

Does anybody remember if the listed weight of the car was exaggerated by AMC to get the car into F/Stock (10.00 - 10.49 Wt/Hp).

Some say E/Stock for 1969, and others say F/Stock.

The 1967 Rogue hardtop with the 343 engine weighed in at #2971 lbs. Where was the other 189 lbs.

pc

those subframe connectors,disc brakes,torque links, etc. all add up...

btw, i think the 343 ramblers in 67 were the reason for the connectors....

they're NOT a very stiff car without them...

Dwight Southerland · 03-21-2012, 08:46 AM

According to the classification guide, the SC/Rambler shipping weight is 3058. In comparison, the '65 Chevy II SS with a 327 is 2882 and the '66 Chevy II SS is 2917. Considering that the AMC V8 is approx 60 lbs heavier than the SBC and that AMC used a cast iron T10 to GM's aluminum Muncie, the weights seem reasonable and not "adjusted".

03-20-2012, 12:48 PM	#93
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American 1969 AMC SC/Rambler Was a result of a collaboration between AMC's Walt Czamecki and Dave Landrith from Hurst Performance Research. On February 13, 1969, AMC had a press release, announcing the partnership deal with Hurst Performance. The heart of the SC/Rambler was the 390 V-8. It's 315 HP peak came on relatively early at 4600 RPM, but there was a barrel full of low-end torque, at 425 lb-ft @3200 RPM. For a high performance engine, the compression was somewhat mild at 10.2 -1 with flat top pistons. Atop the cast iron dual-plane high rise intake manifold, was a Carter AFB (625 CFM) with 1.44" primaries and 1.69" secondaries. Log-style exhaust manifolds dumped to 2.25" dual-exhaust with genuine Thrush glass-packs and chrome angle-tipped exhaust tips. While AMC didn't offer any other engine choices for the SC/Rambler, dealers could direct buyers to the Group 19 parts book. The Borg-Warner T-10 (Close-ratio) was the cars only transmission, fitted with a Hurst Competition/Plus shifter with Hurst linkage, and Hurst 'T' handle. The rear-end was a Dana 20 unit, fitted with 3.54 gears and a Twin-Grip limited slip differential. Heavy-duty universal joints were installed, to help spin the power. The SC/Rambler utilized the same unit body as the Rogue, but to handle the 390's torque, additional frame mounts were fitted to accept the AMX's torque-links. Up front, the SC/Rambler utilized an independent front suspension with unequal length upper and lower control arms, coil springs and tubular shocks, as well as a large stabilizer bar. At the rear, the live axle was mounted to semi-elliptical leaf springs and torque-links. The left shock was staggered to control wheel hop. Mounting-plates were welded to the frame for this specific suspension design. Inside the SC/Rambler, a charcoal vinyl split-bench seat with red/white/blue striped head-rests was up front. A three-spoke steering wheel with a plastic wood grain rim greeted the driver. A huge Sun S635 8000 RPM Tachometer was strapped to the steering column. Initially, only 500 were to be produced. These 'first' 500 were painted Bright White with Bright Red flanks, a wide Bright Blue stripe on the deck-lid and roof, and Bright Blue wheels. This was known as the 'A' paint scheme. On the hood was the 'Mail Box' hood scoop. Just in case no one noticed it, a large blue arrow pointed directly where the cold air was headed was painted on the hood, red lettered '390 Cu. In' was the engine call-out in between the blue arrow, and red lettered 'AIR' was placed on the hood scoop. Paint Scheme 'A' Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-20-2012 at 03:46 PM.

03-20-2012, 01:01 PM	#94
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American PC, great write up on the specs on the '69 SC/Rambler. Last edited by Hemi Moose; 03-20-2012 at 01:08 PM.

03-20-2012, 03:44 PM	#95
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American Moose, Great photo post as usual,,,,,,,,,,,,you are the best... More on the SC/Rambler, Featuring a Borg-Warner T-10 close-ratio all-syncromesh transmission with; (1st; 2.23) (2nd; 1.73) (3rd; 1.35) (4th; 1.00) ratios. Also, a special heavy-duty clutch set-up. Sub-frame connectors between the front and rear sub-frames. A special steel plate riveted in the trunk, to provide for additional shock tower support. Brackets for the sub-frame ends, that bolted to a threaded portion of the sub-frame. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-21-2012 at 02:46 PM.

03-20-2012, 04:15 PM	#96
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American

03-20-2012, 11:42 PM	#98
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American There it is, on the SC/Rambler Hurst specification sheet. #3160 lbs. (10.03 Wt/Hp Factor),,,,,,,F/Stock or Super Stock (SS/J) Does anybody remember if the listed weight of the car was exaggerated by AMC to get the car into F/Stock (10.00 - 10.49 Wt/Hp). Some say E/Stock for 1969, and others say F/Stock. The 1967 Rogue hardtop with the 343 engine weighed in at #2971 lbs. Where was the other 189 lbs. pc Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 03-24-2012 at 10:08 AM.

03-21-2012, 08:46 AM	#100
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,996 Likes: 63 Liked 756 Times in 189 Posts	Re: Rambler All-American According to the classification guide, the SC/Rambler shipping weight is 3058. In comparison, the '65 Chevy II SS with a 327 is 2882 and the '66 Chevy II SS is 2917. Considering that the AMC V8 is approx 60 lbs heavier than the SBC and that AMC used a cast iron T10 to GM's aluminum Muncie, the weights seem reasonable and not "adjusted".