End of Stock and SuperStock Racing??

[boostedf22c]

Originally Posted by HR9121

I didn't realize nitrous and turbos had got so expensive.

Cause all you have to do is bolt on nitrous or a turbo and you are immediately a front runner in 275 or 10.5 classes....haha.

And a nice built turbo system will easily be over $10,000 once you figure single or twin turbo, turbo manifold(s), waste gate(s), blow off valves(s), downpipe(s), waste gate dump tubes, intercooler piping, couplers, clamps, intercooler, water tank, pumps, lines and fitting if it's air-to-water, etc. Add that on top of a motor that can easily trump the cost of a competitive stock or super stock motor and do the math.

[Sean Marconette]

A different spin on this topic: Racer participation this weekend

Cordova Divisional: 54 entries in stock, 31 entries in SS

Tulsa Divisional: 40 entries in stock, 37 entries in SS

Epping National: 68 entries in stock, 45 entries in SS

Bowling Green Combo Race, 54 entries

To me it sure looks like a lot of participation this weekend. Tulsa would be at 41 in stock, had I been a little bit more prepared.

Congratulations to all participants and winners this weekend.

Sean

[Robert Swartz]

I sat here at the breakfast table and read this whole thread. I hope Stock/SuperStock racing doesn't seek to exist in the near future.

Right now, my attempts to join the fraternity keep running into roadblocks. My FWD car sits in limbo in the driveway, stripped of the few parts we added to it, now merely an object that needs moved from time to time to be mowed under. It was originally my step sons car, now subject to a Federal court case. It's fate yet to be determined. I want to personally thank Ron Seibenak, Dennis Roberts and Billy Nees for advise and help with that car.

My other car, the 79 Firebird, still sets in its corner of the garage. Due to lack of time or lack of money, it's just not getting worked on. I have most of the pieces to make the chassis a roller. Have of a lot ot the parts to build a good basic IHRA crate engine. Blame myself for apathy, just can't personally get motivated enough to start putting it altogether. Want give a personal thank you to Alex and his son Tony Dysenko for advise and getting me a few parts to at least get this thing to a point I can refer to it as a car. Also a shout out to Bruce Parsons, whom went out of his way to build me a set of heads to replace a set that were stolen from my shop. Just hope we get to use them someday.

Meanwhile, my long time friend and racing partner, Tod Lane and I continue to work on our ancient old 66 Chevy II bracket car. Just want to get this car redone. Just too many projects and lack of focus.

I'm somewhat established in life. For someone in their 20's or 30's, even with a good income. All hobbies are expensive, in their own ways. Racing, it isn't just having a car. You need to have a place to store and work on it. Both a vehicle and a trailer to transport it. As well as both tools and support equipment to work on it. I agree with what was said here, young people want to go fast and race heads up. I ran into a young guy I used to work with at a bracket race last summer. He wanted to know why were we running this slow "pos" and not running our Chevy II? He was smart enough to understand what we had done with the car. Just couldn't fathom why or how anyone could get excited running a slow race car.

The days of building a car in the driveway are far behind us. Around here, in many places if you live in town, they won't let you have a vehicle in the driveway that isn't plated. Now, they won't in many cases let you park a trailer, RV or boat in your driveway. With the way all state and local Govt's are seeking revenue. How long before you have to have some kind of personal CDL just to pull a trailer?

Ok enough ranting and whining. Enough of a long winded post, just hope it isn't a lot of useless drivel. To those that keep this alive, I applaud you. Just hope, one day, I show back up in the staging lanes, WITH a car.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Sean Marconette

A different spin on this topic: Racer participation this weekend

Cordova Divisional: 54 entries in stock, 31 entries in SS

Tulsa Divisional: 40 entries in stock, 37 entries in SS

Epping National: 68 entries in stock, 45 entries in SS

Bowling Green Combo Race, 54 entries

Edgewater Buckeye S/SS Series: 31 entries (1 broke)


Back to "no new blood"... Mark Chaney's daughter gets her first crack in his GT/EA today at Tri-State, John Frech's son was driving yesterday, there's Jake Magee, Zac Ross, Brad Ross, the Darroch brothers... and that's just folks that run the Buckeye series.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Cause all you have to do is bolt on nitrous or a turbo and you are immediately a front runner in 275 or 10.5 classes....haha.

And a nice built turbo system will easily be over $10,000 once you figure single or twin turbo, turbo manifold(s), waste gate(s), blow off valves(s), downpipe(s), waste gate dump tubes, intercooler piping, couplers, clamps, intercooler, water tank, pumps, lines and fitting if it's air-to-water, etc. Add that on top of a motor that can easily trump the cost of a competitive stock or super stock motor and do the math.

Carey I do realize how much it cost was just getting a shot in at some of our less disrespectful members who seem to have all the answers lately about every topic posted. I actually have a friend who runs 275 so I know what's involved. I have an appreciation of all cars and types of racing especially the crazy fast ones like yours. Hope I get to see it in person in the near future.

[Rat Raceway]

New Blood...


I have been reading here for a bit over a year now. My first impression of S/SS from here (classracer.com) was... (honest opinion) Its a good old boys club that wants nothing to do with new racers or helping them. They are proud of it too.

I have no family or friends that have ever been into racing. Everything I know is self taught.

After my first two races in the real world! I have a totaly different outlook on class racers. The drivers I meet were super friendly and fun to be around. Nothing like what I had prepared myself for.

I'm 100% hooked and want to do nothing else but improve my program and make my the car better. If I wade through the nasty crap from the folks that just want to be nasty there is lots of valuable info here.

There is new blood in your sport and will grow more. IMO your not seeing more people here because this is a ruff house! I see guys saying Yellow Bullet is bad, I have seen just as much mud slinging if not more on here! Most people here are not afride to tell it how it is and do it under there real name. Over there they talk ***** but you have no clue who it is and so it's no big deal.

I will continue to read and take in as much "GOOD" info as I can here. I'm also working on two other guys I know to start racing Class!

I don't see the end just a small change in the way you keep attracting new racers.
View from a rookie!

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by boostedf22c

Cause all you have to do is bolt on nitrous or a turbo and you are immediately a front runner in 275 or 10.5 classes....haha.

And a nice built turbo system will easily be over $10,000 once you figure single or twin turbo, turbo manifold(s), waste gate(s), blow off valves(s), downpipe(s), waste gate dump tubes, intercooler piping, couplers, clamps, intercooler, water tank, pumps, lines and fitting if it's air-to-water, etc. Add that on top of a motor that can easily trump the cost of a competitive stock or super stock motor and do the math.

Thanks for posting this Carey. I was going to post in response to James but I didn't want to disrespect him. Funny how some can be sarcastic and smart to others but it is a one way street if you give it back. I am currently switching to a turbo setup and it is very costly even doing all the piping fabrication myself.

[HR9121]

Nathan don't get your panties in a wad. I'm not disrespecting anyone, as I said before I respect all racing and racers its all expensive and should be enjoyable. I was just getting in a little light hearted jab in there but not serious about it, as a matter of fact I think all this crap up here is ridiculous but when you jump into the conversation you should be careful how you word things. I'm sure you are pretty cool guy but when I read some of the post by you and others they come across with a bit of sarcasm, not to be confused with one person up here who seems to know everything. It's just a matter of how things are worded. You may have had all good intentions but you came into the conversation at a time when many up here are fed up with one individual so you probably caught some backlash from that. Good luck with your turbo set up and despite my earlier post I do know how expensive they are.

[Pat Cook]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

I have a better idea.. Explain to the 3 spectators in the stands what dial-in racing is, why the numbers are on the board, and why the racer got to the finish line first and lost. Have alan reinhart and dave reiff explain it with a computer generated visual aid on espn2, illustrating a few different scenarios that can happen in a dialed race. Explain that this concept is what keeps class racing "fair" for all the competitors until a heads-up run occurs. How about an information board or a pamphlet at national events that explains this as well? I think eliminations are way more interesting to watch than qualifying.. First guy to the finish line wins in those and it's boring. If you don't explain what dial-in racing is you just keep having "ignorant" spectators through no fault of their own who continue to utter things like "That's stupid it should just be first guy to the finish line wins."

This is a really good idea, this should be tried. If Pinks could generate a interest, so could this.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Nathan don't get your panties in a wad. I'm not disrespecting anyone, as I said before I respect all racing and racers its all expensive and should be enjoyable. I was just getting in a little light hearted jab in there but not serious about it, as a matter of fact I think all this crap up here is ridiculous but when you jump into the conversation you should be careful how you word things. I'm sure you are pretty cool guy but when I read some of the post by you and others they come across with a bit of sarcasm, not to be confused with one person up here who seems to know everything. It's just a matter of how things are worded. You may have had all good intentions but you came into the conversation at a time when many up here are fed up with one individual so you probably caught some backlash from that. Good luck with your turbo set up and despite my earlier post I do know how expensive they are.

Maybe not a direct response but a general thought; If all involved here on this discussion were one-on-one by phone or face, or even hanging out in a trailer together as a group, everybody would get their point across and everybody would get along just fine.
The crappy thing about the internet (and it's a long list), is emotions, inflictions of the voice, body language, etc., just doesn't make it across the screen, no matter how many LOL's you throw out there. Heck, I was talking to an older gentleman (customer) about this recently and he had it nailed when he said not only the keyboard has drastically changed our way of communication as a society but so has the cell phone. Think about it. When two people are on a land line, you can have a conversation in "real time" and there isn't that .002 second delay that encourages you not to interrupt at all; it seems you are waiting for the other party to finish all the time.