Stock Suggestion # 1

[Ed Wright]

All it takes is somewhat realistic hp factors for the new cars. They won't "have to add weight and break parts", they move up to the classes they belonged in to begin with.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Not sure but I dont beleive that it was ever stated that new cars weren't faster than any old car. I believe that the case but if you get the older cars to where they can push the new cars to take hits wont it even up the field? Why is such a sin to have the new cars in stock? Lets see its 2014 why would anyone not want to see todays latest and greatest in what was started for present day drag racing? It has to be a mixed field for it keep the sport going. But hey I'm only 33yrs old and love to see new muscle cars put them on the back bumper and still run 150mph!

Old vs New has nothing to do with it. It's fair vs unfair. Just so happens ALL the new cars are unfairly rated by at least 15%

[Greg Hill]

The solution is simple. A through F FX classes for cars that were made in 2008 and later without a vin number and motor combinations that were not in street cars. 1lb weight breaks, sticks and autos together, or not. They could stay in stock eliminator, but they could not beat up on the older cars in class or heads up. As for the Factory Stock race at Indy, that needs to be it's own race and have nothing to do with stock eliminator

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by greg hill

the solution is simple. A through f fx classes for cars that were made in 2008 and later without a vin number and motor combinations that were not in street cars. 1lb weight breaks, sticks and autos together, or not. They could stay in stock eliminator, but they could not beat up on the older cars in class or heads up. As for the factory stock race at indy, that needs to be it's own race and have nothing to do with stock eliminator

^^^ this.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

.....1lb weight breaks, sticks and autos together.....

Would you be OK with this for all Stock classes?

As for the Factory Stock race at Indy, that needs to be it's own race and have nothing to do with stock eliminator

How about the Hemi deal?


Who would put up the extra money for all this new stuff?

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Would you be OK with this for all Stock classes?




How about the Hemi deal?


Who would put up the extra money for all this new stuff?

What money? We got more in 1990 than we do now. The Hemi cars in Super Stock can get horsepower, plus they have one of the toughest indexes in SS.

[Monte Howard]

Back when the LT-1 cars were kicking our butts, (cost me a div. championship) the only people that were complaining about them were the people in their class and were getting beat heads up. Nobody else cared.
I think the new cars are neat, but they aren't stock eliminator cars. Like everyone has stated, put them in there own class and problem solved. What still cracks me up today is the fact that the rule book states "no porting or polishing of cylinder heads". All the new cars have CNC'ed cylinder heads. The manufactures just simply ignored all the rules in stock eliminator and built them how they wanted. Where NHRA really messed up is not telling them if that's the engines you want to run that's fine, but they are going to be superstock cars.
While I am at it, I begged for years for a weight break or three speed trans for the 67 and 68 camaro's with a small block 295/350. Since the 69-70 camaro with 295/350 could run a three speed trans. Always fell on deaf ears, till Chrysler didn't put a three speed in the guide for the drag Pak and GM and Ford did. All the new drag Pak owners cried and got a three speed rule change. No one cared until it affected the new cars.

[Ed Carpenter]

If everyone ran their car like this gentleman this thread wouldn't be necessary.


2 3695 E/S Luke Ubelhor, Bristow IN, '09 Challenger 10.103 11.65 -1.547

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

If everyone ran their car like this gentleman this thread wouldn't be necessary.


2 3695 E/S Luke Ubelhor, Bristow IN, '09 Challenger 10.103 11.65 -1.547

That's an interesting take on it. And it's hard to argue with. Other than some might take it as you saying new car owners arnt gentlemen.

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

Back when the LT-1 cars were kicking our butts, (cost me a div. championship) the only people that were complaining about them were the people in their class and were getting beat heads up. Nobody else cared.
I think the new cars are neat, but they aren't stock eliminator cars. Like everyone has stated, put them in there own class and problem solved. What still cracks me up today is the fact that the rule book states "no porting or polishing of cylinder heads". All the new cars have CNC'ed cylinder heads. The manufactures just simply ignored all the rules in stock eliminator and built them how they wanted. Where NHRA really messed up is not telling them if that's the engines you want to run that's fine, but they are going to be superstock cars.
While I am at it, I begged for years for a weight break or three speed trans for the 67 and 68 camaro's with a small block 295/350. Since the 69-70 camaro with 295/350 could run a three speed trans. Always fell on deaf ears, till Chrysler didn't put a three speed in the guide for the drag Pak and GM and Ford did. All the new drag Pak owners cried and got a three speed rule change. No one cared until it affected the new cars.

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric