Going DEEP....

[Michael Beard]

x2 what Fletcher said.

Even in Top ET/Super Pro, it seems that many people don't understand how timing systems work and are overly concerned about what's going on in the other lane. I was footbraking in Top back in October, and guys were freaking out over the "N" after my dial-in, which turns off CrossTalk for me if I am the faster car. It has absolutely zero effect on the car in the other lane, regardless of the dials. There was a lot of arm-waving and words with the race director. The guy refused to run me until they took the N off my window (which was irrelevant on that particular run, since he was the faster car). smh...

Originally Posted by Signman

Anything else can throw off the other driver.

Not if people actually had a basic understanding of how timing systems work. If you're running a deep stager, "top bulb out" is Staged. It's not hard. Then again, Division 1, in their infinite wisdom, forced people to take DEEP off their windows. Instead, they added time to the stage-to-start, which slows down every single pair. May not seem like much, but seconds turn into minutes, and minutes turn into hours when you have a big car count. I'm not a fan of having the timing system control whether or not a (pre)stage bulb is lit. Stage bulbs should be lit if something is blocking the beam, and not lit if there isn't. Refer to the extensive discussions we've had on here over the year about the "instant red" glitch in the system that they refuse to acknowledge exists.

I got burned down more than once with starters waving me in to pre-stage before deep opponent lit any light, then let my opponent burn up my converter @3200 rpms taking his sweet time getting in deep.

Don't get on the converter until everyone is staged. Even with two shallow stagers, if you stage on the converter, the other guy can let you sit for 10 seconds.

$.02,

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher

Not attacking anyone's position, but who gives a ****? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people are concerned with what the other guy is doing.

Numidia turns off autostart when someone is a deep stager, the starter actually has to do his job, but even if they didn't, who cares. Autostart activates when three bulbs are lit. If your opponent was already deep when you approach pre-stage, you still have all the time afforded by autostart once you light the pre-stage bulb.

I really don't get it. You worry about you, I'll worry about me...

^^^Dan...KNOWS

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Even in Top ET/Super Pro, it seems that many people don't understand how timing systems work and are overly concerned about what's going on in the other lane.

Not if people actually had a basic understanding of how timing systems work. If you're running a deep stager, "top bulb out" is Staged. It's not hard.
Don't get on the converter until everyone is staged. Even with two shallow stagers, if you stage on the converter, the other guy can let you sit for 10 seconds.

This^^^

[Bobby Fazio]

I am always very concerned about what the other guy is doing. How else would I have known my opponent crossed the centerline and was driving up my hindquarters at Etown? How would a driver know when to "get out of it" if their opponent is broken in the other lane or when to hit the brakes against someone who has given him or her a comfortable allotment of finish line stripe if they weren't concerned with what the other guy is doing? How else would we know when to fist pump and wave to the national event crowd on red light victories? yowza

Hey JOE ZOOM, "I can handle things! I'm smaht!!"

[Michael Beard]

-=sigh=- Situational awareness is completely different from "Errmerrgerd! He's DEEP STAGING! Whatever am I going to do?!?"

Context matters.

[Mickey Whaley]

I try to go deep every time i go in

[Signman]

Michael
Selective copy and paste is a liberal tactic

The extreme example I used had nothing to do with my staging style, some complain I take too long! The example was meant to convey the human factor: The starter giving the advantage to one racer not only by holding the tree but ordering the shallow racer to stage and LETTING the deep racer burn his opponent down. Adding extra time to Autostart was a good compromise but that's not enough apparently.

Many of us have studied and understand the timing system, there is nothing in there for deep staging other than the blue light.
I actually spoke to Compulink years ago they had no interest in this unless enough tracks want it and can get paid for their programming time no different than anyone else. We live in a capitalist system where businesses respond to their customers. Racers are not customers of timing system manufacturers if tracks want the deep modification they should ask for for and get it, only problem with that is most of the country is NO BOX is there even the demand?

[Maverick]

As far as I am concerned, nothing should change in the start procedure. No D's or N' on the window matter. The procedure for staging should not change on bit. If a guy wants to go deep he better be ready to do his thing, not affecting anything on the starting line. It should be if the top bulb goes out, it does not mean anything. Racer is staged, let's race.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

I try to go deep every time i go in

How many times do you bump it in before you go red Mickey?

[Bruce Noland]

Seems like the bracket guys are having a winter season conniption fit - while trying to get an accommodation from their fellow racers. Looks like most don't race nhra so not sure whether they belong in this discussion. But there are others so lets continue on.

Removing the autostart is a lame idea that has no merit. And you cannot race your lane until both racers are fully staged. Until then both racers deal with events happening in the other lane. Finally this eyesore of a debate is what led to the downfall of deep staging in the first place. So I'm all for this little scam running all winter long and will chime in from time to time.

[Billy Pires]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Deep staging is just a crutch just like blocking

So blocking should be illegal? Interesting.