Horsepowers - Page 10

HR9121 · 01-02-2016, 02:14 PM

It's all BS, if they are not smart enough to check the weather conditions and know what is "Mineshaft" conditions should they really be smart enough to be adjusting these horsepower?
Take the first race at Charlotte, we got 1 qualifying run at 300 DA and half the field didn't run the .85 under. Just about every car there could've but you all know how it works. I hit the trigger and got myself an early Christmas present in July.
Then you go to Indy in 3500' plus and it's mineshaft, give me a break!!!

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 02:24 PM

This thing really has to be addressed ASAP. I know there are multiple tracks across the country that can be fast at certain times. For example here in the northwest we have firebird raceway in Boise, Idaho, a lot of people think that track has bogus factors, witch it may in some cases. We go there the air good for there you get a small tail wind an your off, well once again is that considered mineshaft? Then you run the next pair of ten with a headwind in the same session. Now what?

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 02:46 PM

Yes it is a BS.... I remember in 2002 when I got into stock an superstock thought it was the coolest thing ever. Performance based class... Hmmm where the hell did that go? Not trying to make myself look innocent for any of my doings, but I've never been stupid to make crazy runs just to do it. As I've said in some prior post it is nice to see hard work and perseverance pays off. I see looking back at the weather conditions where I ran good were a mineshaft conditions.
But that doesn't matter when everyone else makes a pass behind you with there tail between there legs.

Oh well we move on to 2016 with some statements to make.

tpoh815 · 01-02-2016, 03:36 PM

Just wait till this Duster rolls out of this shop. Then I can play with the big boys[/QUOTE]

Awesome my combo is going to get hit and it isn't even out yet. And I thought all the Mopar guys were an intelligent bunch. I are smart.

Jim Storms · 01-02-2016, 03:48 PM

I guess your implying I'm non intelligent person.... My intelligence will speak for its self. FYI.... You might want to rethink that combo.

tpoh815 · 01-02-2016, 03:54 PM

Don't you worry. I have you to thank and I will or will you thank me?

ALMACK · 01-02-2016, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partsbob67

i sent a request in this year by email and Pat sent me a confirmation email that they received it.

I sent mine in the Thursday after the World Finals and Pat promptly returned my e-mail stating I had missed the deadline by 2 days.

That was a lesson learned for me.

Tony Janes · 01-02-2016, 06:43 PM

.85 is the figure for average, two times 1.00 is what gets trouble if the average is more than .849 under up to 1.19.

Ron Ortiz · 01-02-2016, 08:05 PM

All the data the NHRA needs is right at their fingertips. Always has been, always will be. They have the variable in temperature, wind, altitude, pressure, etc. But they also have all the incremental times. Those little increments tell the story of what happened during the run. They can be easily deciphered. And you all thought that letting off was hiding something.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA .....................

Larry Hill · 01-03-2016, 10:10 AM

Mineshaft is only about final order. S/S could be mineshaft at a race and Stock not be mineshaft at the same race. Weather has nothing to do with it. As we found out at Indy 3500' can be mineshaft if the right mix of cars are entered.

Indy was 150 cars trying to fill 98 spots, that's why Indy is always show and tell. "Ain't nothing like it" he said with a smile. The math looks wrong until the F/X cars are inserted, after the F/X cars are inserted in the field, all of us in the eliminator need a big kiss.

F/X cars and mineshaft.
70 cars in qualified field, 20 F/X cars in field of 70. The F/X cars are subtracted from the field 70 leaving 50 cars. If the number 26 car of the field of 50 is .85 under or quicker = mineshaft.

FS_ cars and F/X cars are not the same. AHFS does not apply to F/X cars. That's why we need a kiss.

01-02-2016, 02:14 PM	#91
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: Horsepowers It's all BS, if they are not smart enough to check the weather conditions and know what is "Mineshaft" conditions should they really be smart enough to be adjusting these horsepower? Take the first race at Charlotte, we got 1 qualifying run at 300 DA and half the field didn't run the .85 under. Just about every car there could've but you all know how it works. I hit the trigger and got myself an early Christmas present in July. Then you go to Indy in 3500' plus and it's mineshaft, give me a break!!! __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA

01-02-2016, 02:24 PM	#92
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers This thing really has to be addressed ASAP. I know there are multiple tracks across the country that can be fast at certain times. For example here in the northwest we have firebird raceway in Boise, Idaho, a lot of people think that track has bogus factors, witch it may in some cases. We go there the air good for there you get a small tail wind an your off, well once again is that considered mineshaft? Then you run the next pair of ten with a headwind in the same session. Now what?

01-02-2016, 02:46 PM	#93
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Yes it is a BS.... I remember in 2002 when I got into stock an superstock thought it was the coolest thing ever. Performance based class... Hmmm where the hell did that go? Not trying to make myself look innocent for any of my doings, but I've never been stupid to make crazy runs just to do it. As I've said in some prior post it is nice to see hard work and perseverance pays off. I see looking back at the weather conditions where I ran good were a mineshaft conditions. But that doesn't matter when everyone else makes a pass behind you with there tail between there legs. Oh well we move on to 2016 with some statements to make.

01-02-2016, 03:36 PM	#94
tpoh815 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: West Seneca Posts: 537 Likes: 62 Liked 28 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Just wait till this Duster rolls out of this shop. Then I can play with the big boys[/QUOTE] Awesome my combo is going to get hit and it isn't even out yet. And I thought all the Mopar guys were an intelligent bunch. I are smart. __________________ EX 5-Doorstocker

01-02-2016, 03:48 PM	#95
Jim Storms Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepowers I guess your implying I'm non intelligent person.... My intelligence will speak for its self. FYI.... You might want to rethink that combo.

01-02-2016, 03:54 PM	#96
tpoh815 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: West Seneca Posts: 537 Likes: 62 Liked 28 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Don't you worry. I have you to thank and I will or will you thank me? __________________ EX 5-Doorstocker

01-02-2016, 06:43 PM	#98
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Horsepowers .85 is the figure for average, two times 1.00 is what gets trouble if the average is more than .849 under up to 1.19. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

01-02-2016, 08:05 PM	#99
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Horsepowers All the data the NHRA needs is right at their fingertips. Always has been, always will be. They have the variable in temperature, wind, altitude, pressure, etc. But they also have all the incremental times. Those little increments tell the story of what happened during the run. They can be easily deciphered. And you all thought that letting off was hiding something. Ron Ortiz U/SA ..................... __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

01-03-2016, 10:10 AM	#100
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,646 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,745 Times in 2,235 Posts	Re: Horsepowers Mineshaft is only about final order. S/S could be mineshaft at a race and Stock not be mineshaft at the same race. Weather has nothing to do with it. As we found out at Indy 3500' can be mineshaft if the right mix of cars are entered. Indy was 150 cars trying to fill 98 spots, that's why Indy is always show and tell. "Ain't nothing like it" he said with a smile. The math looks wrong until the F/X cars are inserted, after the F/X cars are inserted in the field, all of us in the eliminator need a big kiss. F/X cars and mineshaft. 70 cars in qualified field, 20 F/X cars in field of 70. The F/X cars are subtracted from the field 70 leaving 50 cars. If the number 26 car of the field of 50 is .85 under or quicker = mineshaft. FS_ cars and F/X cars are not the same. AHFS does not apply to F/X cars. That's why we need a kiss. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817