Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

SS/G=8.50 1968-1/2 Lightweight Fastbacks.

SS/H=9.00 1969 R-code cold air 428CJ, factored to 360hp
Fastbacks were 9.09 lb/hp, Coupe (Allie IIRC) was 9.03 lb/hp, 22 lb lighter but the weight savings was off the rear, and aero wasnt quite as good so probably a wash. Most ran the Fastback cuz it looked more "racy", kinda like chrome valve covers make your car faster.

SS/I=9.50 1969 Q-code flat hood / warm air 428CJ, factored to 340hp.

Thx DC....More questions...

Lightweight Fastbacks? Do you mean the original factory race cars?

What is a Qcode? A 4V?

Re the SS/J Cobra - Was that a Shelby AC Cobra....or a Shelby Mustang Cobra 500?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Thx DC....More questions...

Lightweight Fastbacks? Do you mean the original factory race cars?

What is a Qcode? A 4V?

Re the SS/J Cobra - Was that a Shelby AC Cobra....or a Shelby Mustang Cobra 500?

Lightweight Fastbacks - yes, not really race cars, since there was only one 428/335hp-CJ engine. Officially anyway. These were the "135" cars (all had "135" in the VIN), gutted so about 80 lb lighter than a "normal" 68 fastback.

Originally, Ford wanted these cars to run SS/F=9.50 class at 1968 Pomona so
3184/335=9.50 exactly for the "135" cars, vs
3266/335=9.75 for the normal 428CJ fastback.
Ford was trying to give them every weight advantage they could.

After factoring to 360hp before 68 Pomona, the cars ended up as
3184/360=8.82, in the SS/E=8.70 class for 1968 Superstock and
3266/360= 9.07, in C/S=9.00 class for 1968 stock "normal" 428CJs

So, "lightweight" just means the Shipping Weight was 82 lb lighter than a "normal" 68 Fastback Mustang, so they ended up running in the same Superstock class but just 82 lb lighter. Convoluted story.

There's only ONE 428CJ engine, "officially", all factory rated at 335hp.
The R-code had a cold air hood & scoop, so NHRA factored it to 360hp.

In 1969, the Q-code appeared with a flat hood, getting warmer underhood air. That was factored by NHRA to 340hp.

So you could change hoods & run the car in 2 different classes, as many often did.

* To further confuse THAT, in 1968, all Mustangs were R-codes, cold air, factored to 360hp. But in 1968, all Fairlannes (and Cyclones if any) were also "called" R-codes, but had flat hoods / warm air, but still factored at 360hp by NHRA, a full class disadvantage so I don't think anybody ran one.

The 1969 Cobra is just a Fairlane - kind of Ford's answer to the Road Runner - a cheap grocery getter except for the powertrain.
At
Fairlane Cobra, 428CJ R-code scoop
3600/360=10.00 W/P
Or
Fairlane Cobra, 428CJ Q-code flat hood
3600/340=10.59
That would be a really heavy Cobra AC Roadster!

[Rat Patrol]

Thx mate...that explains it beautifully!

Never knew there was a Fairlane Cobra Jet!

[Rat Patrol]

Back to Dick Simon’s car -

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ACE-CAR-161420

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Back to Dick Simon’s car -

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ACE-CAR-161420

Yes, that's all we can find.
But the car doesnt fit class - not even close.
The Fairlane 500 Convert fits
D/SA=9.00:
3688/410=9.00 exactly with 427/410hp-4v

If swapped to the next engine down, the car is now too heavy:
H/SA=11.00
3670/320=11.47 with 390/320hp-GT

So it can't be that car, unless NHRA let them swap a GTO engine in there LOL.
Here's 4 possibilities, but nobody seems able to hunt down the car:

10.18 dick simon 67 fair2ds 390gt320-4v

10.11 dick simon 67 mustang2cv 390gt320-4v

10.49 dick simon 67 fairlane GTA 390gt320-4v

10.25 dick simon 67 Big Ford Ranch Wagon 427mr410-4v

[Rat Patrol]

OK....New challenge.

Sox won SS eliminator at the 69 SpringNationals.

Can’t find any result for SS/B. or SS/BA.

Anybody?

[DeuceCoupe]

All I have for SS/ is a narrative from Drag News, poor quality in some areas so cant read it all.

SS/B Vanke 10.73 at 111.90

SS/BA Grotheer 10.83 at 117.3

Were they DQ'd later? No idea!

SS/Eliminator Sox 10.63 at 114.5

Obviously all 3 brake light runs so as to not set a record!

Do you have a sheet that shows the cars/years?
I cant read the SS/H car (arthur evans).

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

All I have for SS/ is a narrative from Drag News, poor quality in some areas so cant read it all.

SS/B Vanke 10.73 at 111.90

SS/BA Grotheer 10.83 at 117.3

Were they DQ'd later? No idea!

SS/Eliminator Sox 10.63 at 114.5

Obviously all 3 brake light runs so as to not set a record!

Do you have a sheet that shows the cars/years?
I cant read the SS/H car (arthur evans).

No sheet for 69 Spring SS I’m afraid .- I have been able to confirm the Grotheer/Vanke times off facebook.

I did find this, however....

Also....can find ZERO reference to ‘G Gurch’ - World Champ Stock Elim’

Is the name the correct spelling?

[DeuceCoupe]

Nice find, picture of Simon's 67 Fairlane ragtop in A/SA.
Best likely fit is
1968 A/SA=8.00

1967 Fairlane ragtop, 427/425-8v factored at 463hp (they vary from about 460-463hp back-calculating the factoring) comes out at W/P=8.01.

Perfect fit to class, but so was the 427/410-4v Fairlane/Comet 2door post, and ran the same class A/SA=8.00. And that 4v combo, left unfactored at 410hp, was stronger - lots of wins. But the flat-hood 427-8v was factored too high. The Glass hood 427-8v combo was only factored at 472hp. The cold air was worth more than 472-463=9 hp or even 472-460=12 hp.

The FLAT-hood FACTORED 427-8v wasnt a very competitive combo- I'm not sure if I found any national wins with it. Factored too high at least back then.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

And Its Ben Wolf per Doug Boyce's book, same as Ben Wolf 61 Pontiac listed as winner of B/SA at 1969 Springnationals.

So either the name is spelled wrong in the article or tts a coincidence that Ben Wolf ran a Pontiac and Wilson "Sonny" Wolfe also ran a Pontiac.
Maybe coincidence.

I'm now betting the B/SA win in Spring 1969 was likely the Ben Wolf of Wolf&McClelland, since McClelland was still running the big 62 Cat in D/SA=9.00 class at the same meet (and won).

How 'bout if I throw another Wolfe Pontiac racer into the mix. This one is listed as Tim Wolfe. The car has G/S on the window. Looks to be a '70 Judge.

At the moment, that's all I know about the car & driver.