2012 Race Camaro - Page 12

Tony Janes · 11-03-2011, 04:21 PM

All these cars are going to be in Stock Eliminator. Fords, Challengers and Chevys. Get over it. The eliminator is bracket race anyway.

Troy Henderson · 11-03-2011, 04:36 PM

I'd like all three to offer the V-6's these cars can be really bought with. They all make 300+ hp from the factory, pretty impressive.

Andrew Hill · 11-03-2011, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

The eliminator is bracket race anyway.

Oh really? Tell Ryan McClanahan that, seems like the semi's in Vegas weren't a bracket race.

Jeff Niceswanger · 11-03-2011, 04:48 PM

Yea Andrew I don't know why Tony keeps saying that. There were bunches of heads up in the eliminator this year . Some in the finals ...Correct?
I know we were hiding from certain people this year trying not to draw them in the eliminator. I don't remember doing that back when I was bracket racing

Jim Kaekel · 11-03-2011, 05:15 PM

Another advantage that these new Cobra Jets, Drag Paks and now, COPOs offer is the improved ability to win the eliminator. Just like what we have seen happen in Super Comp, Super Gas, etc., the faster cars have the advantage when the race is always in front of them. Their opponent also has the first chance to red light. You're already starting to see a couple of the "hitters" driving the new cars, and I think you're going to see a lot more in the future. They are "obsoleting" the older cars and NHRA is letting it all happen with the "bogus" HP factors.

Tony Janes · 11-03-2011, 05:21 PM

By the numbers Las Vegas stock in 92 races 4 heads up or about 5% of the field. That is not my defintion of a performance based eliminator, more representative of a bracket race. The final qualifying had 102 cars but there were 10 singles. This reduces the amount of races to 92.The winner, Jim Meador, had not heads up but he had a single which reduces is rounds of competition to 6 instead of 7. There was a total of 21 red lights.

442OLDS · 11-03-2011, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

All these cars are going to be in Stock Eliminator. Fords, Challengers and Chevys. Get over it. The eliminator is bracket race anyway.

As I said before,I did NOT have a dial in on my car in the fourth round of the Joliet Divisional and the third round of the Joliet National.There were also two other races where I WOULD HAVE had a heads up race in another round,had I advanced.

I REALLY tire of comments such as: "It's only a bracket race".

Maybe if you lose in the first round all of the time,it could be perceived as a bracket race,but heads up runs occur far more frequently than some realize!

Alan Roehrich · 11-03-2011, 05:53 PM

There are no heads up no breakout races in bracket racing.

Just because the size of the field and the number of classes reduces the chance of heads up races does not mean it is not a performance based class. You have the chance of a heads up race, you qualify based on your performance compared to an index for your combination. Sounds like a performance based class. Is it as performance based as some would like? No.

However, 3-4 of the fastest traditional AA and A cars in the country, with drivers easily capable of winning a national event, have been eliminated in late rounds by new cars in heads up races, where the traditional cars were not even close.

Larry Fulton · 11-03-2011, 06:51 PM

Whats not to like.... I hope that GM moves forward with making it happen.

Jerry Terry · 11-03-2011, 07:05 PM

That car is awesome looking, good job Chevrolet but most of us couldnt afford to buy it and go racing especially in this economy.

11-03-2011, 04:21 PM	#111
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 97 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro All these cars are going to be in Stock Eliminator. Fords, Challengers and Chevys. Get over it. The eliminator is bracket race anyway. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

11-03-2011, 04:36 PM	#112
Troy Henderson Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kansas City Posts: 412 Likes: 128 Liked 130 Times in 42 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro I'd like all three to offer the V-6's these cars can be really bought with. They all make 300+ hp from the factory, pretty impressive. __________________ Troy Henderson Henderson Race Shop LLC 816-520-5389 www.hendersonraceshop.com

11-03-2011, 04:48 PM	#114
Jeff Niceswanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 894 Likes: 690 Liked 1,034 Times in 368 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro Yea Andrew I don't know why Tony keeps saying that. There were bunches of heads up in the eliminator this year . Some in the finals ...Correct? I know we were hiding from certain people this year trying not to draw them in the eliminator. I don't remember doing that back when I was bracket racing __________________ Jeff Niceswanger 3740 SS

11-03-2011, 05:15 PM	#115
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,229 Likes: 133 Liked 535 Times in 110 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro Another advantage that these new Cobra Jets, Drag Paks and now, COPOs offer is the improved ability to win the eliminator. Just like what we have seen happen in Super Comp, Super Gas, etc., the faster cars have the advantage when the race is always in front of them. Their opponent also has the first chance to red light. You're already starting to see a couple of the "hitters" driving the new cars, and I think you're going to see a lot more in the future. They are "obsoleting" the older cars and NHRA is letting it all happen with the "bogus" HP factors. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK

11-03-2011, 05:21 PM	#116
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 97 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro By the numbers Las Vegas stock in 92 races 4 heads up or about 5% of the field. That is not my defintion of a performance based eliminator, more representative of a bracket race. The final qualifying had 102 cars but there were 10 singles. This reduces the amount of races to 92.The winner, Jim Meador, had not heads up but he had a single which reduces is rounds of competition to 6 instead of 7. There was a total of 21 red lights. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

11-03-2011, 05:53 PM	#118
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,132 Likes: 1,600 Liked 1,912 Times in 429 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro There are no heads up no breakout races in bracket racing. Just because the size of the field and the number of classes reduces the chance of heads up races does not mean it is not a performance based class. You have the chance of a heads up race, you qualify based on your performance compared to an index for your combination. Sounds like a performance based class. Is it as performance based as some would like? No. However, 3-4 of the fastest traditional AA and A cars in the country, with drivers easily capable of winning a national event, have been eliminated in late rounds by new cars in heads up races, where the traditional cars were not even close. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-03-2011, 06:51 PM	#119
Larry Fulton Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Likes: 54 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro Whats not to like.... I hope that GM moves forward with making it happen. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Larry Fulton

11-03-2011, 07:05 PM	#120
Jerry Terry Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 653 Likes: 6,134 Liked 450 Times in 133 Posts	Re: 2012 Race Camaro That car is awesome looking, good job Chevrolet but most of us couldnt afford to buy it and go racing especially in this economy.