Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Ken Miele]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

Nathan,

The above statement is insulting to me and not helpful in anyway. Yes we have issues with not only NHRA but each other, but it would be like me going into the Top Sportsmen section and posting. I know many Top Sportsmen racers, but I do not presume to know anything about their type of racing. I would never go into a forum and post as you did without walking in their shoes first.

I guess I'm the sensitive type, but you could have worded it differently or just not posted.

Crisco, I guess we look through a different set of glasses...... I was insulted.

[Bruce Noland]

This forum is for and about class racers. We were debating the obvious need for wheelie bars when it was interrupted by several people trying to compare class cars to 10.5 cars. Which of course didn't work out for them. Now we have some bracket guys with childish chips on their shoulders hurling insults. Bracket guys have their sites and can contribute all they want but coming here just to be ugly when you don't get your way is unacceptable. Alan has raced in nhra stock and coninues to build and crew Stockers. Alan has been a valuable contributor to this site. I think Mr Stinson has shown enough ugliness to be banned. And should be.

This thread was derailed by the bracket guys and we need to return to the original intent. Which is, the idiotic ruling by nhra to change or remove our wheelie bars, at great expense and risk to the racers, nhra staff and nearby crew members. nhra tech has been reduced to puppet status by nhra and picking on little body modifications like this shows they have been neutered. Bruce isn't attending many national events and I don't think they have torn down 3 cars this year. That leaves the door open for all sorts of chicanery. How long has it been since nhra drug tested the racers?

[Nathan Stinson]

who is the bracket racer you're talking about Bruce. Why should I be banned for stating the truth in my first post in the thread?

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

Nathan,

The above statement is insulting to me and not helpful in anyway. Yes we have issues with not only NHRA but each other, but it would be like me going into the Top Sportsmen section and posting. I know many Top Sportsmen racers, but I do not presume to know anything about their type of racing. I would never go into a forum and post as you did without walking in their shoes first.

I guess I'm the sensitive type, but you could have worded it differently or just not posted.

Crisco, I guess we look through a different set of glasses...... I was insulted.

Sorry if the truth insulted you. I can only go by what I read on here. There have been countless threads about cost, nhra, entry fees, rules etc all complaining. If I hated it that bad I would do something else.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something. Matter of fact a lot of the things 1320 mentioned, you guys have been known to bitch about. Oh the irony.

The above is your first post. Not a good start and you are now in the same league with Ed 1320, well almost, you may not even be an nhra member and it looks like you haven't been in a Stocker for more than ten years and your avatar looks like it isn't of a class car. But this thread has had enough of your distraction. You have gotten all the attention you're going to get from me.

[Ken Miele]

Nathan,

No need to be sorry, truth is good. Your post goes beyond just truth, its more about your opinion of the class racing community. like I said, you set the tone with your post. It was disrespectful and should have been reworded. If you had shown respect, I like many others would not be posting.

Sorry Bruce for taking this off topic.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Nathan Stinson

Sorry if the truth insulted you. I can only go by what I read on here. There have been countless threads about cost, nhra, entry fees, rules etc all complaining. If I hated it that bad I would do something else.

You confuse passion for our chosen part of the sport for hatred. We all complain about the government too, but that doesn't mean we hate our country. We love stock and SS, it's still one of the most challenging classes out there. A lot of people don't like or understand class racing, that's fine. But you don't see us on a bracket racing or heads up racing board, telling them how they're "doing it wrong". Several bracket/heads up racers already chimed in here with their .02, long before you arrived.

To sum it up, when it comes to rules and race procedures, we really don't care what those who don't participate in class racing think.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Crisco

Hey Alan, back off on Nathan. He never said anything that wasn't true. But I will tell he ain't no dummy when it comes to racing. Just because you don't agree with what he says doesn't mean he is wrong. And no, I don't have a damn stocker either...but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn. Does that qaulify me to come in here and offer suggestions? Geez...

Chris, this about the 4th or 5th time Nathan has decided to shoot his mouth off at me, and I'm done listening to it, and I'm done with him. If he wants to be a smart ***, he can deal with the responses. I seriously doubt I'm the only one tired of his crap, or crap from his buddy "Ed" or "1320", either. Back off? Uh, no.

Yeah, class racers do complain about problems with class racing, considering we are actually participants, it would seem we're in a position to do so. But we don't have a habit of going to the bracket or 0.90 sections and trying to be smart asses about their side of the sport, I don't do it at all. I've bracket raced, and I've run in Super Gas and Super Comp. It's not my thing. They're using the same piece of asphalt, but they're doing their own thing. That's fine by me. I've got friends and customers who do it, and I'm happy for them, they're doing what they like. I'm not going to go on their forums and bad mouth them or what they do. By the same token, I'm not going to listen to any crap they want to dump on the class forums.

[Crisco]

If your stocker needs wheelie bars, put them on along with the stock bumper cover with no cutouts or notches like the rule book says and go racing. Chad and Alan, yall don't know Nathan like I do. Probably never even met him... He knows his stuff and would be the first one to help out any of you guys.

Yall have a great day, I'm going to the pool.

[Crisco]

Alan, Ed and Nathan aren't buddies.. trust me.