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art leong · 04-10-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cammer427

Did Froggy own the Belvedere? Was it really a real A990 car, originally?

The car body belonged to Froggy. It was just a plain jane street car no aluminum anything.
I'm pretty sure we had the hemi in Froggies car, So it would have been similar to a SS/BA car of those days. but I can't remember exactly. I killed a lot of "brain" cells back them.
I think I had the Dart figured for 11.0's and I figured the plymouth was good for 10.60's FineSpline was I about right on the Dart?

Paul Ceasrine · 04-10-2010, 08:32 PM

cammer427,
I misunderstood. On the S & K Dart.
S & K (Bryan Higgins & Ernie Krieg) had the Dart through the 68' season. I believe it was at the 68' Springnationals (June at E-Town),
Super/Stock Magazine Nationals (July at New York National) and Indy Nationals (September). Not sure which event, but I think they blew the engine and sent a rod-bolt through the front bumper??? I have to check my data file. It was sold at the end of 68' or early 69', to the Mutt Brothers with a factory Race Hemi replacement engine.
The AMX came in early 69' (March, I think).
PC

cammer427 · 04-10-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

cammer427,
I misunderstood. On the S & K Dart.
S & K (Bryan Higgins & Ernie Krieg) had the Dart through the 68' season. I believe it was at the 68' Springnationals (June at E-Town),
Super/Stock Magazine Nationals (July at New York National) and Indy Nationals (September). Not sure which event, but I think they blew the engine and sent a rod-bolt through the front bumper??? I have to check my data file. It was sold at the end of 68' or early 69', to the Mutt Brothers with a factory Race Hemi replacement engine.
The AMX came in early 69' (March, I think).
PC

Thanks for the details on the Dart - I've always wondered when they (the Mutt Bros) purchased the car from S&K. Do you know Bryan or Ernie? If you have any more details you could share about the car, please feel free. I'd love to learn more about it.

Carl Juliano · 04-11-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Hi carl, small world we live in. What was your fathers name and when did he work there. I worked part time btw 73-75 helping out in the shop and doing maintenance to the dart ( we kept it there as we had an ongoing bill with pete ).

Dad worked at Island Porting from '69-'73(approx). He'd come home from his full time job and head over to the shop and port heads from 6 till closing. Dads name is Carl also.

chris ok · 04-11-2010, 09:10 AM

Thanks for correcting me and explaining the Dart pictured.

Westbury Rambler aka now Westbury Chrysler/Jeep now has a replacement AMX like the one SK and them built in 69. They got it in the early/mid 90's. Don't know anything else now about it.

Brian at SK is building a recreation of their Hemi Dart, I wish him only the best w that project. I will ask him for more details on the original car when I go out there this week.
Ernies son is doing machine work for me now.

Best news is NYC is "still Alive and well". Stang beat a Malibu last night.

Paul Ceasrine · 04-11-2010, 09:40 AM

cammer427,
S & K got one of the original (84) Hemi Darts. The first major race for the
SS/B or SS/BA cars was at the 68' Springnationals. The S & K Dart was definitely at the 68' (July 68) Super/Stock Magazine Nationals. And I
do believe the Nationals (at Indy, Labor Day). They ran the car the whole season. American Motors decided to get into the S/S fray in December
68', and stole Shirley Shahan ('Drag-On-Lady') from Mopar, as well as a few other Mopar-backed racers. The first AMX S/S cars were running in
late-March or April. Not sure the exact time the Mutt Brothers got the car,
but I think early 69', as S & K was involved with AMX project, at about the same time.
The S & K car, if I can remember (long time ago) was running right around 10.95 (3/10's off the record). J & B Automotive (Brooklyn)
sponsored the SS/B car. Ran in the 10.90's when I saw it at the track.
Not completely sure on the length of service of the Dart in the hands of the Mutt Brothers.
Paul

cammer427 · 04-11-2010, 10:41 AM

Would you know if Brooklyn Heavy's 1968 Dodge Dart one of the '68 S/S Hemi Darts? I had a small inkling that he may have bought the Mutt Bros' Dart but he could just as well have gotten a different one. And of course, there's the J&B sponsored '68 Barracuda of the Mutt Bros. Do you have any information on that car, Paul? It also has an "S&K Speed" decal on the quarter panel. I believe I read the Mutt Bros owned the Dart and Barracuda simultaneously before selling one or both of them.

cammer427 · 04-11-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by art leong

We put Froggies car together with the Dart in mind. We ran it against a few other cars in the previous month. One was a 66 or 67 silver dodge charger. That took off and didn't pay up. Thats when Heavy and crew got involved. And got us the money the next week.
If I remember right the Dart had a small block and I know it was a 4 speed. It was quick and had made a lot of money on the street.
I believe that race was heads up. I remember telling Froggy to make sure the Dart left (when 2 cars pass the starter it was a race). To make sure we didn't show what we were capable of. He almost waited too long. There was a tape recorder (early data logger) in the Dart And you didn't hear Froggy till the very end of the race.

Another shot of Froggy's '65 Belvedere in another magazine at the time. Art, that looks suspiciously like a silver '66-'67 Dodge Charger - is that the same car?

art leong · 04-11-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cammer427

Another shot of Froggy's '65 Belvedere in another magazine at the time. Art, that looks suspiciously like a silver '66-'67 Dodge Charger - is that the same car?

That is the one. And thats the race. I believe it came from Redhook.

Paul Ceasrine · 04-11-2010, 07:33 PM

cammer427,
The 'Brooklyn Heavy' 68' Dart sure looks right. But if I recall, a
Tunnel-Ram was added. The rear wheels are properly set, indicating that it had a proper Dana rear (for the A-Body).
Joe Jill of Speedwin Automotive (Hauppauge, L.I) who prepped the
'Brookyln Heavy' Dart also had a 68' Hemi Dart (SS/BA car).
The 69' Cuda (not an original 68' Factory Hemi) Hemi was
Sox & Martins A/MP car, that Billy 'The Kid' Stepp drove.

As crazy as this sounds, only 3 (original purchased) 68' Hemi Darts ended up in the Long Island and Southern New York area.
Charlie Castaldo (4-speed), Scarsdale, NY
S & K Speed Shop (4-speed), West Babylon, L.I., NY
Joe Jill 'Speedwin' (Automatic), Hauppauge, L.I., NY
* One other that came through the area, but not accounted for
Cy Greene Dodge, Manhassett.
Paul

04-10-2010, 08:32 PM	#132
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway cammer427, I misunderstood. On the S & K Dart. S & K (Bryan Higgins & Ernie Krieg) had the Dart through the 68' season. I believe it was at the 68' Springnationals (June at E-Town), Super/Stock Magazine Nationals (July at New York National) and Indy Nationals (September). Not sure which event, but I think they blew the engine and sent a rod-bolt through the front bumper??? I have to check my data file. It was sold at the end of 68' or early 69', to the Mutt Brothers with a factory Race Hemi replacement engine. The AMX came in early 69' (March, I think). PC Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 04-10-2010 at 08:47 PM. Reason: correction

04-11-2010, 09:10 AM	#135
chris ok Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Long Island, New york Posts: 592 Likes: 131 Liked 46 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Thanks for correcting me and explaining the Dart pictured. Westbury Rambler aka now Westbury Chrysler/Jeep now has a replacement AMX like the one SK and them built in 69. They got it in the early/mid 90's. Don't know anything else now about it. Brian at SK is building a recreation of their Hemi Dart, I wish him only the best w that project. I will ask him for more details on the original car when I go out there this week. Ernies son is doing machine work for me now. Best news is NYC is "still Alive and well". Stang beat a Malibu last night. Last edited by chris ok; 04-11-2010 at 09:56 AM.

04-11-2010, 09:40 AM	#136
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway cammer427, S & K got one of the original (84) Hemi Darts. The first major race for the SS/B or SS/BA cars was at the 68' Springnationals. The S & K Dart was definitely at the 68' (July 68) Super/Stock Magazine Nationals. And I do believe the Nationals (at Indy, Labor Day). They ran the car the whole season. American Motors decided to get into the S/S fray in December 68', and stole Shirley Shahan ('Drag-On-Lady') from Mopar, as well as a few other Mopar-backed racers. The first AMX S/S cars were running in late-March or April. Not sure the exact time the Mutt Brothers got the car, but I think early 69', as S & K was involved with AMX project, at about the same time. The S & K car, if I can remember (long time ago) was running right around 10.95 (3/10's off the record). J & B Automotive (Brooklyn) sponsored the SS/B car. Ran in the 10.90's when I saw it at the track. Not completely sure on the length of service of the Dart in the hands of the Mutt Brothers. Paul

04-11-2010, 10:41 AM	#137
cammer427 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Would you know if Brooklyn Heavy's 1968 Dodge Dart one of the '68 S/S Hemi Darts? I had a small inkling that he may have bought the Mutt Bros' Dart but he could just as well have gotten a different one. And of course, there's the J&B sponsored '68 Barracuda of the Mutt Bros. Do you have any information on that car, Paul? It also has an "S&K Speed" decal on the quarter panel. I believe I read the Mutt Bros owned the Dart and Barracuda simultaneously before selling one or both of them.

04-11-2010, 07:33 PM	#140
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway cammer427, The 'Brooklyn Heavy' 68' Dart sure looks right. But if I recall, a Tunnel-Ram was added. The rear wheels are properly set, indicating that it had a proper Dana rear (for the A-Body). Joe Jill of Speedwin Automotive (Hauppauge, L.I) who prepped the 'Brookyln Heavy' Dart also had a 68' Hemi Dart (SS/BA car). The 69' Cuda (not an original 68' Factory Hemi) Hemi was Sox & Martins A/MP car, that Billy 'The Kid' Stepp drove. As crazy as this sounds, only 3 (original purchased) 68' Hemi Darts ended up in the Long Island and Southern New York area. Charlie Castaldo (4-speed), Scarsdale, NY S & K Speed Shop (4-speed), West Babylon, L.I., NY Joe Jill 'Speedwin' (Automatic), Hauppauge, L.I., NY * One other that came through the area, but not accounted for Cy Greene Dodge, Manhassett. Paul