Factory experimental - Page 15

Bruce Noland · 01-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Chuck,
You confirm my earlier post about your fondness for those cars. Do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion?

Billy Nees · 01-18-2009, 01:43 PM

You know Bruce, Rory does come up with a good point! When Ford releases its Ecoboost V6s in the Mustangs (they're coming) and they totally wipe out the middle and lower Stock classes I doubt that there will be any mention of it!

Billy Nees · 01-18-2009, 01:45 PM

I should also mention the 3.9 Challengers and DI V6 Camaros!

Evan Smith · 01-18-2009, 01:53 PM

Bruce,

The Roush cars have a different engine (4.6-liters), with 50 less cubes, less cams and big hp ratings considering the combinations. They will not be killers. Technically, Roush is the manufacturer of the cars it sells, no different than Shelby in the '60s. Superchargers have been in Stock for a long time. My Lightning would have been a killer if I built it all out, but I needed to get to work in it so that plan was nixed.

As for the CJ, it will make lots of power, but it is extremely nose heavy, has a long 115-inch wheelbase and has not run in competition yet. If GM can take advantage of soft factoring with a new car, why shouldn't Ford be able to do the same thing? If the cars fly then the AHFS will cause them to be factored.

Perhaps if the cars do blow away the competition that NHRA will create a new class, but how can they act on a car that has yet to run?

It's funny how some guys with really fast "A" cars that I have spoke to are looking forward to the challenge.

Evan

Billy Nees · 01-18-2009, 02:01 PM

Evan, are you sure about the wheelbase on the CJs? I know that the Challengers are long.

Evan Smith · 01-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Correction, 107 and change on the 2005-present Mustang wheelbase. Still long considering the engine placement.

bsa633 · 01-18-2009, 02:24 PM

No Dog in the fight...well yet...and they also havent run yet..true...but if it shows to be what alot of people have observed so far..how do you justify that 15-30 years of R/D that others put down could be wiped out with a stroke of a pen? We all know that AHFS wont take care of it within 5-7 years atleast..isn't reasonable that when new breed comes along they would have to do it from the other direction with respect to all those racers that been hammering on this for years and years? Something is wrong if some have to work their butts off to be fast and others are in the position to "hold back"

p.s. I do like that new cars are coming along..it gets exposure..but just not fair if they gets to be the fastest right out of the bat!

Bruce Noland · 01-18-2009, 02:25 PM

Evan,
I appreciate your feedback. We agree the factors are soft and most OEM's would take advantage of it. But, you know as well as I do, that once these cars go down the track as AA and A cars that they will stay there. It will take the ahfs years of reviews before this car is brought back down to earth. I think it would be better to put these cars in a class that will allow them to get sorted out first and then move them down if they are not running the big numbers. I have not heard of one AA guy, or his engine builder, who thinks this is a good deal for their classes. I speak to guys from Washington State to New York and not one of them is for allowing these cars into AA or A. Believe it or not, I don't come out here to take on these difficult threads with out considerable input and support from racers.

Billy,
I missed the part about the V6 car. You guys are on to something. It would be great if we had a real committee that could work with nhra. But nhra trashed the one we had, so we are left to our own devices out here.

denny harvey · 01-18-2009, 02:29 PM

they should allow the new mustang,supercharged zr-1 corvette and the viper to run in the same class,heads up,,that would cut out all the bitching and be fair for all makes,not just ford.now that would be drag racing..

dwydendorf · 01-18-2009, 03:09 PM

Whether you like the new factory race cars or not, two things are going to happen that will benefit all stock racers. First, there is more media and fan exposure than I have seen in many years, which possibly means more help from the Aftermarket and Oem Manufacturers and Sponsors. Second, With a new fan base it will help to insure that Stock Eliminator will be much more healthy for many years to come. If the new cars are put in a different Eliminator then that Eliminator will get the media and fan exposure. Think about it a minute, as they say be careful what you wish for , you may just get it.

01-18-2009, 01:07 PM	#141
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Chuck, You confirm my earlier post about your fondness for those cars. Do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-18-2009, 01:43 PM	#142
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: Factory experimental You know Bruce, Rory does come up with a good point! When Ford releases its Ecoboost V6s in the Mustangs (they're coming) and they totally wipe out the middle and lower Stock classes I doubt that there will be any mention of it! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-18-2009, 01:45 PM	#143
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: Factory experimental I should also mention the 3.9 Challengers and DI V6 Camaros! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-18-2009, 01:53 PM	#144
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce, The Roush cars have a different engine (4.6-liters), with 50 less cubes, less cams and big hp ratings considering the combinations. They will not be killers. Technically, Roush is the manufacturer of the cars it sells, no different than Shelby in the '60s. Superchargers have been in Stock for a long time. My Lightning would have been a killer if I built it all out, but I needed to get to work in it so that plan was nixed. As for the CJ, it will make lots of power, but it is extremely nose heavy, has a long 115-inch wheelbase and has not run in competition yet. If GM can take advantage of soft factoring with a new car, why shouldn't Ford be able to do the same thing? If the cars fly then the AHFS will cause them to be factored. Perhaps if the cars do blow away the competition that NHRA will create a new class, but how can they act on a car that has yet to run? It's funny how some guys with really fast "A" cars that I have spoke to are looking forward to the challenge. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

01-18-2009, 02:01 PM	#145
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Evan, are you sure about the wheelbase on the CJs? I know that the Challengers are long. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

01-18-2009, 02:10 PM	#146
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Correction, 107 and change on the 2005-present Mustang wheelbase. Still long considering the engine placement. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

01-18-2009, 02:24 PM	#147
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory experimental No Dog in the fight...well yet...and they also havent run yet..true...but if it shows to be what alot of people have observed so far..how do you justify that 15-30 years of R/D that others put down could be wiped out with a stroke of a pen? We all know that AHFS wont take care of it within 5-7 years atleast..isn't reasonable that when new breed comes along they would have to do it from the other direction with respect to all those racers that been hammering on this for years and years? Something is wrong if some have to work their butts off to be fast and others are in the position to "hold back" p.s. I do like that new cars are coming along..it gets exposure..but just not fair if they gets to be the fastest right out of the bat! Last edited by bsa633; 01-18-2009 at 03:16 PM.

01-18-2009, 02:25 PM	#148
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Evan, I appreciate your feedback. We agree the factors are soft and most OEM's would take advantage of it. But, you know as well as I do, that once these cars go down the track as AA and A cars that they will stay there. It will take the ahfs years of reviews before this car is brought back down to earth. I think it would be better to put these cars in a class that will allow them to get sorted out first and then move them down if they are not running the big numbers. I have not heard of one AA guy, or his engine builder, who thinks this is a good deal for their classes. I speak to guys from Washington State to New York and not one of them is for allowing these cars into AA or A. Believe it or not, I don't come out here to take on these difficult threads with out considerable input and support from racers. Billy, I missed the part about the V6 car. You guys are on to something. It would be great if we had a real committee that could work with nhra. But nhra trashed the one we had, so we are left to our own devices out here. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-18-2009, 02:29 PM	#149
denny harvey Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: pataskala ohio Posts: 132 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory experimental they should allow the new mustang,supercharged zr-1 corvette and the viper to run in the same class,heads up,,that would cut out all the bitching and be fair for all makes,not just ford.now that would be drag racing..

01-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#150
dwydendorf Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 162 Likes: 251 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Whether you like the new factory race cars or not, two things are going to happen that will benefit all stock racers. First, there is more media and fan exposure than I have seen in many years, which possibly means more help from the Aftermarket and Oem Manufacturers and Sponsors. Second, With a new fan base it will help to insure that Stock Eliminator will be much more healthy for many years to come. If the new cars are put in a different Eliminator then that Eliminator will get the media and fan exposure. Think about it a minute, as they say be careful what you wish for , you may just get it. __________________ ss/gt 93 t-bird Last edited by dwydendorf; 01-18-2009 at 03:14 PM.