The damage recently done

Billy Nees · 09-07-2012, 10:03 AM

by a handful of AMC racers and the NHRA Tech Dept. to Stock and SS eliminators is FAR worse and FAR more reaching than any of the new Factory Specials will ever be! The Tech Dept. might just as well do away with Stock and SS right now, give us all 780 Holleys, aluminium intakes and heads and .477 lift cams and call us what we are fast becoming, ET-2.
Look it up yourselves, 66-72 AMC blueprint specs. And nobody got notified about a change.

Billy Nees · 09-07-2012, 12:44 PM

Now Jeff, responding to your post on another thread, I have sitting in front of me a bunch of musty old books entitled,"AMC Technical Revisions and Dealership Notes". I have 65-68 and 70-72. We haven't found 69 yet but be patient. Now I've just quickly broused through the books and haven't found anything yet. Group1-Engines, Group6-Fuel and Exhaust, and Group19- Performance Parts (68-70-72 only) and I'm not finding anything. Maybe you could tell me where it is that I'm going to find notices for these parts that were allegedly installed by the dealers to replace the factory parts?

Andrew Hill · 09-07-2012, 12:52 PM

Quote from the NHRA rule book, in the engine section: "Equipment other than original factory-installed prohibited. Any special equipment export kit (superchargers, dealer-installed options, etc.) automatically disqualifies car."

Well, did the factory ever put a 780 holley or an aluminum edelbrock manifold on these AMCs?

Rory McNeil · 09-07-2012, 12:59 PM

Wow, I just checked the qualifying at the Div. 6 Woodburn LODRS race, and after the first session, Jim Mantles AMC Pacer is #1 qualifier! I wonder if the 258 6 banger recieved some of this new AMC enhancing!!

Billy Nees · 09-07-2012, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Quote from the NHRA rule book, in the engine section: "Equipment other than original factory-installed prohibited. Any special equipment export kit (superchargers, dealer-installed options, etc.) automatically disqualifies car."

Well, did the factory ever put a 780 holley or an aluminum edelbrock manifold on these AMCs?

Yes Jeff, we're waiting. Tell me the Group number and date.

James Perrone · 09-07-2012, 01:45 PM

And I cant have a 350 LT1 motor combo in a 1970 NOVA...!!!
Anything in the AMC book for me Billy...lol

BlueOval Ralph · 09-07-2012, 01:59 PM

Not saying this happened but at that time AMC was using the Ford Autolite carbs like on the 429/460 maybee this 780 Holley appeared the same time frame as the Holley 780 for the 351 Cleveland's. Those cars used the Autolite 4100 and 4300 D was Fords version of a Q-Jet. Could this have happened?

super trick · 09-07-2012, 02:59 PM

What something Mr.lee doesn't want to talk about? The 4x keyboard racer champ didnt want the cat let out of the bag. Why? Because he wanted to get on this forum ( and 5 others ) and tell everybody how great and smart he and the other AMC racers are. Well just one thing make sure you give a link to NHRA Blueprint specification page for AMC. Just for a reminder of why the AMC Class cars seem to run so well !!!

Dwight Southerland · 09-07-2012, 04:13 PM

Billy -
Not much different than the Shelby specs fiasco that we all went through for the '67 428s, or the .529 cam for the FE Fords, or the current D4B Edlebrock manifold for a 273 MoPar, or the F5WE heads for the 428 CJs, or Edelbrock heads/World Products/Batten/Indy/Canfield heads for everything, or the NASCAR hemi cars, or open chamber aluminum heads for all '66-'71 high perf big block Chevrolets, or 780 Holley carbs on 390 Fords, or . . . . .

The '71-'72 Clevelands ALL got the aluminum manifold and 780 Holleys, not just the CJ and Boss. Have you ever seen a conocurs Mustang with a Holley carb and aluminum manifold?? No, because they weren't made. (Not picking on the Fords; just an example)

I have seen the time when I would be right there beside you waving the banner for purity, but I believe that's a waste of time. As a good friend of mine who was the second best tech man I have ever known told me once, "If it passes tech, it's legal. That doesn't mean it is 'stock'. What's legal is what is in the book." That's where we are.

And what about the current offerings from the big three? Paper engines, paper cars, paper power ratings.

Paul Wong · 09-07-2012, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Billy -
Not much different than the Shelby specs fiasco that we all went through for the '67 428s, or the .529 cam for the FE Fords, or the current D4B Edlebrock manifold for a 273 MoPar, or the F5WE heads for the 428 CJs, or Edelbrock heads/World Products/Batten/Indy/Canfield heads for everything, or the NASCAR hemi cars, or open chamber aluminum heads for all '66-'71 high perf big block Chevrolets, or 780 Holley carbs on 390 Fords, or . . . . .

The '71-'72 Clevelands ALL got the aluminum manifold and 780 Holleys, not just the CJ and Boss. Have you ever seen a conocurs Mustang with a Holley carb and aluminum manifold?? No, because they weren't made. (Not picking on the Fords; just an example)

I have seen the time when I would be right there beside you waving the banner for purity, but I believe that's a waste of time. As a good friend of mine who was the second best tech man I have ever known told me once, "If it passes tech, it's legal. That doesn't mean it is 'stock'. What's legal is what is in the book." That's where we are.

And what about the current offerings from the big three? Paper engines, paper cars, paper power ratings.

Dwight,

There has been some bogus stuff before, but this is by and far as bogus as it gets. I am glad I am knocking things off my bucket list with NHRA as fast as I can, becasue this will be a joke bracket race soon. The 273 still has to use a correct cam and carb. If I had a .477 cam and a 780 holley you would see an OLD 10 second K/S car.

09-07-2012, 12:44 PM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,493 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,717 Times in 1,738 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Now Jeff, responding to your post on another thread, I have sitting in front of me a bunch of musty old books entitled,"AMC Technical Revisions and Dealership Notes". I have 65-68 and 70-72. We haven't found 69 yet but be patient. Now I've just quickly broused through the books and haven't found anything yet. Group1-Engines, Group6-Fuel and Exhaust, and Group19- Performance Parts (68-70-72 only) and I'm not finding anything. Maybe you could tell me where it is that I'm going to find notices for these parts that were allegedly installed by the dealers to replace the factory parts? __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

09-07-2012, 12:52 PM	#3
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 700 Likes: 446 Liked 170 Times in 38 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Quote from the NHRA rule book, in the engine section: "Equipment other than original factory-installed prohibited. Any special equipment export kit (superchargers, dealer-installed options, etc.) automatically disqualifies car." Well, did the factory ever put a 780 holley or an aluminum edelbrock manifold on these AMCs? __________________ 3207 D/SA, C/ED

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Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Wow, I just checked the qualifying at the Div. 6 Woodburn LODRS race, and after the first session, Jim Mantles AMC Pacer is #1 qualifier! I wonder if the 258 6 banger recieved some of this new AMC enhancing!! __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

09-07-2012, 01:45 PM	#6
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,676 Likes: 3,380 Liked 1,820 Times in 425 Posts	Re: The damage recently done And I cant have a 350 LT1 motor combo in a 1970 NOVA...!!! Anything in the AMC book for me Billy...lol __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

09-07-2012, 01:59 PM	#7
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Not saying this happened but at that time AMC was using the Ford Autolite carbs like on the 429/460 maybee this 780 Holley appeared the same time frame as the Holley 780 for the 351 Cleveland's. Those cars used the Autolite 4100 and 4300 D was Fords version of a Q-Jet. Could this have happened?

09-07-2012, 10:03 AM	#1
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,493 Likes: 3,595 Liked 7,717 Times in 1,738 Posts	The damage recently done by a handful of AMC racers and the NHRA Tech Dept. to Stock and SS eliminators is FAR worse and FAR more reaching than any of the new Factory Specials will ever be! The Tech Dept. might just as well do away with Stock and SS right now, give us all 780 Holleys, aluminium intakes and heads and .477 lift cams and call us what we are fast becoming, ET-2. Look it up yourselves, 66-72 AMC blueprint specs. And nobody got notified about a change. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

09-07-2012, 02:59 PM	#8
super trick Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The damage recently done What something Mr.lee doesn't want to talk about? The 4x keyboard racer champ didnt want the cat let out of the bag. Why? Because he wanted to get on this forum ( and 5 others ) and tell everybody how great and smart he and the other AMC racers are. Well just one thing make sure you give a link to NHRA Blueprint specification page for AMC. Just for a reminder of why the AMC Class cars seem to run so well !!!

09-07-2012, 04:13 PM	#9
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 779 Times in 193 Posts	Re: The damage recently done Billy - Not much different than the Shelby specs fiasco that we all went through for the '67 428s, or the .529 cam for the FE Fords, or the current D4B Edlebrock manifold for a 273 MoPar, or the F5WE heads for the 428 CJs, or Edelbrock heads/World Products/Batten/Indy/Canfield heads for everything, or the NASCAR hemi cars, or open chamber aluminum heads for all '66-'71 high perf big block Chevrolets, or 780 Holley carbs on 390 Fords, or . . . . . The '71-'72 Clevelands ALL got the aluminum manifold and 780 Holleys, not just the CJ and Boss. Have you ever seen a conocurs Mustang with a Holley carb and aluminum manifold?? No, because they weren't made. (Not picking on the Fords; just an example) I have seen the time when I would be right there beside you waving the banner for purity, but I believe that's a waste of time. As a good friend of mine who was the second best tech man I have ever known told me once, "If it passes tech, it's legal. That doesn't mean it is 'stock'. What's legal is what is in the book." That's where we are. And what about the current offerings from the big three? Paper engines, paper cars, paper power ratings.