GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show - Page 16

NBD MGT · 12-04-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crew Chief

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

Which combinations run secondaries fully or mostly closed?

5343stk · 12-04-2012, 11:11 PM

I set the E/SA record in very good air at 10.58 @ 123.76 at Kansas City in October 2011.

In the Final of E/SA at Indy in 2012, the winner went 10.51 @ 110mph.

I was lucky enough to win class the previous 2 years, but I'm afraid I would have been taking a knife to a gunfight that day.

12-05-2012, 12:22 AM

If all the old cars just go away ( which I think is what they want ) How many brand new cars will show up race to race? If this number dwindles, how long before the eliminator is disbanded? I'd feel pretty bad if I had to take my
100K class car and strictly bracket race it. What a waste.
Same could be said for the old cars. I think we need to work together to preserve each others best interest.
What fun can somebody have, racing a guy you have by .6 to 1.0 faster because of soft factoring, and superior technology? Like killing a snail with a sledge hammer. Close competition with what builds the excitement, and gets your blood pumping. Not a sure win with no chance of loosing.

If NHRA is going to blend us into super stock next year, it would be nice to get a heads up. I would stop spending money on my car, and get ready for a transition out of drag racing. We need to work together on this. NHRA is not going to do it, or cares to.

Charley Downing · 12-05-2012, 12:25 AM

Mark do you think all the guys in the 1990's liked the LT1 @ 275 HP? They were able to beat older cars single handed(what happend there). Just like the olds combos of the 1980's. just like the mopar combos of the 1960's. New cars beating old cars is nothing new.

If you look at all class winners at INDY this year they were mostly old cars. There were 8 total class winners with cars newer then 2007. AA,BB,CC FS/S,F/SA,E/SA,A/SA and stick combo. 8 out of the 28 stk class winners.
AA,BB,CC and FS/S are mostly new car classes. When you take that into account that means only 4 classes a INDY were affected by new cars.

Ed Carpenter · 12-05-2012, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill "Farmer" Dismuke would have already fixed this.

Watch it Ed. This ain't the 1970's/1980's anymore crowd will pile on you! LOL

treessavoy · 12-05-2012, 01:38 AM

I quit!

Some people can't or won't see the reality in this situation.

I think I'll just take my PT Cruiser and put slicks on it..........er, front or back?

JimR

Bernie Cunningham · 12-05-2012, 02:17 AM

Mark,
You've done all ya can do here, thank you, you're spot on and i reckon 85% of racers are with ya, however, while everything you have said is perfect and straight to the point and factually correct it won't count, right !! WTF, why ??

Don't we need a statement that says what is good for our sport? We are all heavily invested in the same thing but the system is fractured !

Just like the latest US election, ya can't fix stupid. Naive and under informed opinions abound cause this world is now made up of people that only want what's good for themselves and their own selfish opinions and there own assess, that means forget the rest (**** you) mentality. Oh, don't forget about greed too, he he !
I believe that all of the above to be an unsustainable future in reality !

What a lot of people have neglected to mention is that the under factored crate motor/combos that are now legal will effect all and everyone, maybe except for H/I and down, their all coming for ya !!!!

Ya'll are fixing, as we go along, the AAA, AA, BB, CC big boys club and have completely forgotten to bitch about the combos that are still sliding their way thru F/SA and down, (could be lower for all i know) Most of these belong in the original A/B classes, but just like the LT1's back in the mid 90's, it'll take a years with the current system . BUGGAR !!!!

RULER · 12-05-2012, 05:06 AM

I said it years ago and all i heard was well it only affects upper class cars and my reply was just wait it's coming your way too. And you can not correct the HP. in our lifetime when they are rated 100hp and more under what they should be. If you can't purchase it from your dealer and register it and drive it home then it's not a STOCKER.

Billy Nees · 12-05-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

Some people can't or won't see the reality in this situation.JimR

The reality in this situation is that we're all a bunch of spoiled brats who are lucky enough to live in the country that we do that gives us the opportunities that we have to race and play with cars.
Lyons, get a dictionary, CharlieBob, learn how to spell.
Now I'm going junkyarding! (oops, searching for performance parts)

Stocker 2 · 12-05-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RULER

If you can't purchase it from your dealer and register it and drive it home then it's not a STOCKER.

Actually by todays enhanced rules it is a STOCKER...but it should have never been allowed.

Its ironic that the new cars that are purchased today from the dealer and registered and driven home cannot be run in STOCK. They are not in the classguide.

12-04-2012, 11:11 PM	#152
5343stk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zimmerman, MN Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show I set the E/SA record in very good air at 10.58 @ 123.76 at Kansas City in October 2011. In the Final of E/SA at Indy in 2012, the winner went 10.51 @ 110mph. I was lucky enough to win class the previous 2 years, but I'm afraid I would have been taking a knife to a gunfight that day. __________________ James & Kari Findell (2) 1973 Plymouth Duster's 340 NHRA Stock Eliminator

12-05-2012, 12:22 AM	#153
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show If all the old cars just go away ( which I think is what they want ) How many brand new cars will show up race to race? If this number dwindles, how long before the eliminator is disbanded? I'd feel pretty bad if I had to take my 100K class car and strictly bracket race it. What a waste. Same could be said for the old cars. I think we need to work together to preserve each others best interest. What fun can somebody have, racing a guy you have by .6 to 1.0 faster because of soft factoring, and superior technology? Like killing a snail with a sledge hammer. Close competition with what builds the excitement, and gets your blood pumping. Not a sure win with no chance of loosing. If NHRA is going to blend us into super stock next year, it would be nice to get a heads up. I would stop spending money on my car, and get ready for a transition out of drag racing. We need to work together on this. NHRA is not going to do it, or cares to. Last edited by Todd Hoven; 12-05-2012 at 12:25 AM.

12-05-2012, 12:25 AM	#154
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show Mark do you think all the guys in the 1990's liked the LT1 @ 275 HP? They were able to beat older cars single handed(what happend there). Just like the olds combos of the 1980's. just like the mopar combos of the 1960's. New cars beating old cars is nothing new. If you look at all class winners at INDY this year they were mostly old cars. There were 8 total class winners with cars newer then 2007. AA,BB,CC FS/S,F/SA,E/SA,A/SA and stick combo. 8 out of the 28 stk class winners. AA,BB,CC and FS/S are mostly new car classes. When you take that into account that means only 4 classes a INDY were affected by new cars. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 12-05-2012 at 10:34 AM.

12-05-2012, 01:38 AM	#156
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show I quit! Some people can't or won't see the reality in this situation. I think I'll just take my PT Cruiser and put slicks on it..........er, front or back? JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

12-05-2012, 02:17 AM	#157
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show Mark, You've done all ya can do here, thank you, you're spot on and i reckon 85% of racers are with ya, however, while everything you have said is perfect and straight to the point and factually correct it won't count, right !! WTF, why ?? Don't we need a statement that says what is good for our sport? We are all heavily invested in the same thing but the system is fractured ! Just like the latest US election, ya can't fix stupid. Naive and under informed opinions abound cause this world is now made up of people that only want what's good for themselves and their own selfish opinions and there own assess, that means forget the rest (**** you) mentality. Oh, don't forget about greed too, he he ! I believe that all of the above to be an unsustainable future in reality ! What a lot of people have neglected to mention is that the under factored crate motor/combos that are now legal will effect all and everyone, maybe except for H/I and down, their all coming for ya !!!! Ya'll are fixing, as we go along, the AAA, AA, BB, CC big boys club and have completely forgotten to bitch about the combos that are still sliding their way thru F/SA and down, (could be lower for all i know) Most of these belong in the original A/B classes, but just like the LT1's back in the mid 90's, it'll take a years with the current system . BUGGAR !!!! __________________ Bernie Cunningham 7053 STK Last edited by Bernie Cunningham; 12-05-2012 at 02:19 AM.

12-05-2012, 05:06 AM	#158
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show I said it years ago and all i heard was well it only affects upper class cars and my reply was just wait it's coming your way too. And you can not correct the HP. in our lifetime when they are rated 100hp and more under what they should be. If you can't purchase it from your dealer and register it and drive it home then it's not a STOCKER.