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[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

This is a real easy one to explain so I’ll tackle it! Firebird can run SS/HA, Camaro can’t! So when they race each other, let’s say in the final of a national event, or a must win round in a points race, they won’t race heads up! Therefore, neither will have to lean on their combo, which is the same in both cars, to secure that all important round win! So they just race each other in bracket mode and continue on with the same factor. Allen, is that a good explanation???

I have thought a little more about your explanation and tying it to Allen's comment. I think your explanation is valid, but narrow in the scope that you are comparing the same engine combination in a Firebird vs. a Camaro that are not running in the same class due to weight breaks. Thus eliminating a head's up situation, but I didn't read Allen's question as being that narrow.

Maybe he meant it to be as such, but he simply said "it helps the entire LT1 combo avoid heads-up runs and HP adjustments" which I contend that is not true. The head's up runs are not limited to the same combo they could be any combination in your respective class as you know. That was why I answered that the more classes a LT1 can compete in the greater odds of a heads up run with one of the other combos and it would affect the entire LT1 family in both the Firebirds and Camaros if triggers are hit or the average is affected.

[Joey Bohannon]

Please define "Paper Car" , I thought one of the first sentences in the rule book was something along the lines of "reserved for factory produced cars". I am not trying to stir a pot or be an ***, I want a real definition.

[Ralph A Powell]

Originally Posted by Joey Bohannon

Please define "Paper Car" , I thought one of the first sentences in the rule book was something along the lines of "reserved for factory produced cars". I am not trying to stir a pot or be an ***, I want a real definition.

A paper car is a vehicle that was never built and sold. It was built on paper submitted to NHRA to Race. Just about every Auto Manufacturer built a few for NHRA Racers!

[Joey Bohannon]

If you can't enforce the rules beyond the first paragraph just start calling Bracket II to the lanes.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by gts340

any bets this all goes away.

Paul

bingo

[Allen Wilson III]

Originally Posted by KRatcliff

I have thought a little more about your explanation and tying it to Allen's comment. I think your explanation is valid, but narrow in the scope that you are comparing the same engine combination in a Firebird vs. a Camaro that are not running in the same class due to weight breaks. Thus eliminating a head's up situation, but I didn't read Allen's question as being that narrow.

Maybe he meant it to be as such, but he simply said "it helps the entire LT1 combo avoid heads-up runs and HP adjustments" which I contend that is not true. The head's up runs are not limited to the same combo they could be any combination in your respective class as you know. That was why I answered that the more classes a LT1 can compete in the greater odds of a heads up run with one of the other combos and it would affect the entire LT1 family in both the Firebirds and Camaros if triggers are hit or the average is affected.

You’re right. Bryan said it much better than I. It spreads the combo out further than it should and prevents some of the obviously fast cars from ever having to run each other.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Allen Wilson III

You’re right. Bryan said it much better than I. It spreads the combo out further than it should and prevents some of the obviously fast cars from ever having to run each other.

Yes it does spread out the combo, but it has the opposite effect to what you are thinking. More classes expose any combo to more heads up which can potentially affect the entire combo with one major fast run like the most recent that took the stock auto LT1 to 358.

To further illustrate my point you need to look no further than why Pontiac originally submitted the TI sheets with so many weight breaks for basically the same body. The LT1 had a super soft HP factor and Pontiac knew it. They wanted the combo to be in as many classes as possible FOR heads up opportunities to showcase their cars. By spreading out the combo in as many classes as possible it would look like they had a real dominant combination.

Things come full circle after a while and it exposes the other side of this strategy as where we are today. It works great in the beginning, but it can really hurt a combo if it has possibilities to run another car in the same class that has a more favorable combo. More classes equal more heads up opportunities to hurt the entire combo.

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

If Shelby put the .527/.527 cam in their cars so be it. Allowing it to be used in all 428 mustang or mercury is wrong. Something in rule book about factory produce and in the hands of the general public.

Lets put the Z28 can in all the SBC, it fits.

Or allow 70 and 71 E body 440 6 barrel cars use the aluminum Edelbrock intake manifold that only came on the 69 B12 Road Runner and Super Bees, rather than the cast iron manifold that the 70 and 71 3x2 barrel car actually came with? Or the fiberglass hood that was only factory installed on the 340 AAR Cuda and T/A Challengers, on any E Body? What was the old saying about people who live in glass houses?

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by grncpe

Sure! We will take the Mr Norms demon then. 340 with six pack or the optional Paxton super charger! Sounds fair.

Mr. Norms Grand Spaulding Dodge was a dealership, NOT the manufacturer. If dealer installed modified cars were allowed, there could be 401 Gremlins from Randall American, and 454 Vegas from Baldwin /Motion rolling into the Stock staging lanes!

[grncpe]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Mr. Norms Grand Spaulding Dodge was a dealership, NOT the manufacturer. If dealer installed modified cars were allowed, there could be 401 Gremlins from Randall American, and 454 Vegas from Baldwin /Motion rolling into the Stock staging lanes!

Exactly, my statement was in regards to the statement someone posted above mine about the z-28 dealer installed cross ram.