Lack of integrity

Greg Hill · 09-02-2010, 03:25 PM

The reason the new cars are in stock eliminator at the soft hp factors they have is due to a lack of integrity of NHRA and Ford and Chrysler. They all knew on the front end how bogus these cars are and this weekend at Indy has proven that. It's time they put these cars in their own classes. I would say AA through D Factory Experimental. I don't mind these cars running in the eliminator with the older cars but to continue them in the traditional stock classes is a total sham and a perversion. What about it NHRA? Will you do the right thing or will you continue to shove this bullsh*t down our throats?

Chad Rhodes · 09-02-2010, 03:30 PM

i think we should acquire the taste for manure, or start leveling the playing fields ourselves

Rich Biebel · 09-02-2010, 03:50 PM

All racers that run in classes with HP factors should now clearly see you are racing in a category that is totally arbitrary. Your ability to be competetive is wiped out at the stroke of a pen and at the whim of the people who sit at the top. They wanted to showcase new cars and they are doing it.....at your expense......

An active tech dept. could pretty easily look at engine specs on these engines and tell the HP ratings supplied by the manufacturers are way off.

Using the engine specs from the last 30-40 years is easy enough to do. Compression ratio, valve sizes, cylinder heads, cam specs and type as well as induction system.......

All one has to do is look at how much better the EFI cars were when they came out 10+ years ago. Now the latest wave of "stockers" have even bigger advantages and it's real easy to see......

I raced a traditional 350 Chevy stocker at the time the LT-1's came upon the scene and know how it feels to watch a car that can outrun even the best in your class by a a lot. Todays show at Indy is even more ludicrous.....

Mike Fuller · 09-02-2010, 04:21 PM

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

Chad Rhodes · 09-02-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

SS motors in stockers? hell that might not be enough in some cases, lol

Jim Cimarolli · 09-02-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

Mike,

Bad as I hate to say it, IMO they should just go to no heads up in the eliminator.

JSLRacing · 09-02-2010, 06:04 PM

Look when Mopar brought out the 68 1/2 Hemi Darts and Cudas.. The factory kept the rating at 450 hp even though everyone knew they made 550 hp. Out of the box they ran 10's, just like these new factory rockets.

NHRA had to create the Pro Stocks because of the domination of this factory supercars...

Now they had to move the Hemi Darts and Barracuda cars to their own Super Stock Class because of their dominance.

NHRA will allow this to continue because of the factory involvement. The factories have left the NHRA behind for so long in favour of Nascar that they are opening the involvement with open arms.

Sorry.. unlike the the 60's where they would have factored these car out of contention, the economy has forced NHRA's hand on this one.

A/SA will be a factory experimental class for the rich..

Pat6868 · 09-02-2010, 07:49 PM

While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

Andys dad · 09-02-2010, 08:27 PM

If you are ok with this for any reason at all ...

Please send me a check for $75,000 and I will send you my car.

That price would not be as far off as the HP of the new cars.

I find the excuses of why its alright - amusing. I think the post about where we would have qualified if only the new cars were not there - was one of the stupidest things I ever have seen.

Just imagine what these cars would run in Feb at Pomona at about 70 degrees and 1000 feet of altitude.

Like everything else - only those with money will survive and unfortunately I am beyond the big money phase of my life.

Dave Casey · 09-02-2010, 08:47 PM

Jim,
I can't believe you said that

09-02-2010, 03:25 PM	#1
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Lack of integrity The reason the new cars are in stock eliminator at the soft hp factors they have is due to a lack of integrity of NHRA and Ford and Chrysler. They all knew on the front end how bogus these cars are and this weekend at Indy has proven that. It's time they put these cars in their own classes. I would say AA through D Factory Experimental. I don't mind these cars running in the eliminator with the older cars but to continue them in the traditional stock classes is a total sham and a perversion. What about it NHRA? Will you do the right thing or will you continue to shove this bullsh*t down our throats? __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

09-02-2010, 03:30 PM	#2
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity i think we should acquire the taste for manure, or start leveling the playing fields ourselves __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

09-02-2010, 03:50 PM	#3
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity All racers that run in classes with HP factors should now clearly see you are racing in a category that is totally arbitrary. Your ability to be competetive is wiped out at the stroke of a pen and at the whim of the people who sit at the top. They wanted to showcase new cars and they are doing it.....at your expense...... An active tech dept. could pretty easily look at engine specs on these engines and tell the HP ratings supplied by the manufacturers are way off. Using the engine specs from the last 30-40 years is easy enough to do. Compression ratio, valve sizes, cylinder heads, cam specs and type as well as induction system....... All one has to do is look at how much better the EFI cars were when they came out 10+ years ago. Now the latest wave of "stockers" have even bigger advantages and it's real easy to see...... I raced a traditional 350 Chevy stocker at the time the LT-1's came upon the scene and know how it feels to watch a car that can outrun even the best in your class by a a lot. Todays show at Indy is even more ludicrous..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

09-02-2010, 04:21 PM	#4
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 942 Likes: 530 Liked 185 Times in 74 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars. __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK

09-02-2010, 06:04 PM	#7
JSLRacing Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bothwell,ON Posts: 131 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Look when Mopar brought out the 68 1/2 Hemi Darts and Cudas.. The factory kept the rating at 450 hp even though everyone knew they made 550 hp. Out of the box they ran 10's, just like these new factory rockets. NHRA had to create the Pro Stocks because of the domination of this factory supercars... Now they had to move the Hemi Darts and Barracuda cars to their own Super Stock Class because of their dominance. NHRA will allow this to continue because of the factory involvement. The factories have left the NHRA behind for so long in favour of Nascar that they are opening the involvement with open arms. Sorry.. unlike the the 60's where they would have factored these car out of contention, the economy has forced NHRA's hand on this one. A/SA will be a factory experimental class for the rich.. __________________ Jason Goldsack - 1997 Track Champion - St. Thomas Dragway 1997 Race of Champions Winner - Indianapolis, IN Div. 3 finals

09-02-2010, 07:49 PM	#8
Pat6868 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 100 Likes: 5 Liked 81 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

09-02-2010, 08:27 PM	#9
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity If you are ok with this for any reason at all ... Please send me a check for $75,000 and I will send you my car. That price would not be as far off as the HP of the new cars. I find the excuses of why its alright - amusing. I think the post about where we would have qualified if only the new cars were not there - was one of the stupidest things I ever have seen. Just imagine what these cars would run in Feb at Pomona at about 70 degrees and 1000 feet of altitude. Like everything else - only those with money will survive and unfortunately I am beyond the big money phase of my life. __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

09-02-2010, 08:47 PM	#10
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,198 Likes: 233 Liked 769 Times in 162 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jim, I can't believe you said that __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK