worst red light debate, again!

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Quote .Bill thinks his illusion of grandeur gains momentum every time he starts it again..

Eddie.......you need to go back to the first post on this thread....and see who started it !!
You got it all wrong......... :-)
MR.BILL didn't show up until post # 18.......

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I'm #6, not #5. Not going to happen, so think this carrying on here is a stupid waste. Already said I don't care either way.

Did you think it was a waste when they changed it from "the first to break out" to the "worse break out"????

How is this different?

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Quote Mr Bill:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Every time this thing goes around, it gains a little more support. It's now down to the point that the only people who don't think changing to a worse red light are:"

.Bill thinks his illusion of grandeur gains momentum every time he starts it again.I'm figuring he'll have enough believers in about 2075,just in time for the final extermination of the world by the two remaining super powers left on earth,Biafra and Nepal.Of course drag racing will only be in ancient history books,like chariot racing.Bill you're a piece of work.

Ed, every time you post one of your impertinent character assassinations ("Bill, you're a piece of work") without any explanation as to why you disagree with me, it just illustrates that my contention, # 5. "people who just like to argue, for whatever the reason, and will continue to argue long after the facts have become clear to them. (Are you listening, ED???)" is alive and well in New Joisey.

This is your chance to prove that this worse red light idea is a bad one and won't work.

Now, tell me, Mr. Ed, what is it about changing to a worse red light rule that 1. is a bad idea, and 2. Why it wouldn't be an improvement over what we have, now (First red light loses, in handicap racing.)

Just lay it all out, with the reasons you think it shouldn't be done,].

I'll be waiting (as will everyone else) for your opinions and ideas on this subject. I know you MUST have them, because you've been such an outspoken and vehement critic of that new system, from day one. You have written REAMS about how it is a bad idea, without ever really revealing one iota about what it is you think about that new system that is unworkable, and why it is not something that should happen.

If I have missed something, in all your many notes, please fill me in. I have never seen ANYTHING of that nature, from you. Your M.O. has been to attack my character, logic, and generally, write insulting, baseless, grandstanding replies, the main thrust of which has been to change the subject, since you didn't have anything concrete to say about the subject...

Ambiguity and obfuscation.... look 'em up.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Did you think it was a waste when they changed it from "the first to break out" to the "worse break out"????

How is this different?

So, people complaining on this message board got that changed? Care to tell me what year that took place?

[cicero819]

Bill can we put a fork in it, it's done, I got my answer a while back, after talking to many racers who have had to wait and red light because of anxious moments waiting for that light to come on , only makes it fair that we should at least compensate them for that chance that they red light second.lol You've done a great job putting your point across and unfortunately this tread has run it's course. I vote for Billy Nees to replace Compton in California. When posting this tread I wasn't looking for anything except a straight forward answer and I got it. NHRA has many more important issues to look into such as dwindling racers attendance or how and where they can overcharge racers to pay for Gardner's exorbitant salary. All your points are valid but unfortunately none will be heard as they don't care.(at this moment but it will probably change once they see that nobody shows up at their races)Let's let it die. Ed, please don't shoot the messenger. Thanks. Claude

[Bobby Zlatkin]

Bill Dedman; Please know, I agree with you completely.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin

Bill Dedman; Please know, I agree with you completely.

I agree also but this forum isnt the place or the way to get it changed. Write and call your DD's and mail (not email) requests to Calif. The NHRA people just sit back and laugh their heads off reading all this arguing. They have far more problems to overcome than this. The car count has dropped off, the sponsors are leaving a sinking ship as in no more class win money, the racers for the most part are mad at the enhancements, and Dallas and Compton need the money to play golf and buy booze.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Quote Mr Bill:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Every time this thing goes around, it gains a little more support. It's now down to the point that the only people who don't think changing to a worse red light are:

I don't know about that, but it seems every time this comes up , one more person who was totally against it in the past , figures out how it would actually work.
That could be a good thing.
Keep it up the "educatin" , Bill

[Jack McCarthy]

dear bill dedman...

why not pick a date for everyone who thinks this change is a good idea to send an email to thier divisional director and copy bruce and gracia....

give everyone a few weeks to get the word around, but pick a date to "petition" NHRA

now i know if you publish it here all the enhanced fast guys will immediately send in thier bull**** "we want to preserve our RIGHT to have more advantages over the slow cars" agenda but MAYBE, just MAYBE NHRA will see through thier bull**** at least once !

if not i wont be dissappointed, like i said in my post it wont ever change, but it is wrong.

anyway, do something besides beat the issue to death on this site.

jack

[Ed Wright]

Listen to Terry, this is not where you will get anything changed. Actually writing a real logical paper letter, not one filled with stupid rants about how you think you are getting screwed over. Maybe they will consider it. Might send one to IHRA if that is where you race.