GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Charley Downing]

Andrew someone who gets beat by you heads up in D/SA could make the same argument( that you are under factored). So who decides what under factored is?

At the end of the day who won class in D/SA at Indy.

[MikeFicacci]

I'm a second generation racer myself and much of my father's contribution to my racing has been in sheer knowledge and tow vehicles. I would never have gotten into the sport without the help of my father and my brothers. Bruce, shame on you for repeatedly giving people crap because they have gotten help along the way. This is supposed to be a racing community and I understand that its winter and some people have nothing else better to do but making personal attacks against the younger generation because you feel NHRA has slighted you in some way, is childish. We're all just trying to have fun here at the drag strip and your negativity is toxic. I ran more races with my Corvette this year and last than you did with yours. I had 9 heads in the last two years and lost 2 of them (both of which were at Indy). I think its time for this Topic to die as the personal attacks are starting to get ridiculous.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Andrew someone who gets beat by you heads up in D/SA could make the same argument( that you are under factored). So who decides what under factored is?

Of course they can, but last year I lost twice in class or heads up, once to a 400 Pontiac and once to a 396/325. I don't think anyone out there believes I can go 1.70+ under like the 352 mustangs could go. Here's a quote from one for sale:

"The 2010 352 was never a passenger car motor. It was developed with race only parts and is more like a Super Stock motor.

Boss 302 Block (compare that to a short deck Bowtie block)
Aluminum High Port CNC’D Heads
Aluminum Intake Manifold (made by Edelbrock for Ford Racing)
Solid Roller Camshaft (LSM)
Crower Severe Duty Roller Lifters
Jesel Pro Series Shaft Mounted Rockers
Custom Diamond Pistons
Scat Pro Stock Forged 4340 I Beam Connecting Rods
Scat Forged 4340 Crankshaft
MSD Crank Trigger
Fabricated Deep Sump Oil Pan"

A motor with all that is rated 13 less than mine. There are plenty of older motors that are underfactored, but none even in the same zip code as this.

[RULER]

Really.... how do you decide whats under rated, LOOK AT THE SPEC. ON THESE NEW ENGINE COMBO'S COMPARED TO THE OLD STUFF, JUST NOT THAT HARD TO DO!!!!!!!

[D.Johns]

Originally Posted by A56

There is really only one reason to continue this thread, and thats to show dissatisfaction to NHRA and the Manufacturers with there current and proposed HP ratings to come. I say all old car owners, man up, lets hear what you really think. I am writing on this forum not to convince new car owners that im correct, but to convince NHRA and the Manufacturers that they should do the right thing. Im betting that NHRA and the Manufacturers are reading this thread, our voices are heard.

Writing on an Internet forum is not going to do anything about the situation. The only way for changes is to take the proposals, complaints, petitions, meetings to the people that can do something about it. I seriously doubt the top NHRA brass and advisors are sitting around reading Internet forums(although classracer.com is good) saying "you know what? This guy ---(insert name)--- really has a good idea, ---(insert name)--- really brought X, Y, Z to our attention."

I'm not saying everyone should be quiet about it. If its for venting purposes or even for some that feeds off Drama is one thing. But if a person really feels so strongly about it that it needs to be changed then it needs to be adressed with the people that can actually do something about it. Otherwise it is just a lot of huffing/puffing and waisted energy unless it makes a person feel better by getting it off their chest.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

I'm a second generation racer myself and much of my father's contribution to my racing has been in sheer knowledge and tow vehicles. I would never have gotten into the sport without the help of my father and my brothers. Bruce, shame on you for repeatedly giving people crap because they have gotten help along the way. This is supposed to be a racing community and I understand that its winter and some people have nothing else better to do but making personal attacks against the younger generation because you feel NHRA has slighted you in some way, is childish. We're all just trying to have fun here at the drag strip and your negativity is toxic. I ran more races with my Corvette this year and last than you did with yours. I had 9 heads in the last two years and lost 2 of them (both of which were at Indy). I think its time for this Topic to die as the personal attacks are starting to get ridiculous.

Shame on me? Who are you to be telling me that BS? Racing community? Repeatedly giving people crap for getting help along the way? You certainly have become an important little fellow. You don't dictate the terms of discussion out here. What nerve! I have not repeatedly beat on anybody for getting help along the way. I made it very clear that I did not like being told how to invest in my car by a person who was getting a free ride. The free ride thing must have struck a nerve for you. One other thing, this racing communtiy is tired of being taken advantage of by people who run these ringer cars down our throats. I remember you at SEMA fuming about these new cars and the next thing we know you are hooked up with the new cars and have completely changed your tune. It is you and people like you who are taking advantage of the racing community, not me. And there is no way in hell that your little a** is going to tell me to shut up.

[D.Johns]

Wow, now things are getting ugly in here.

I'm out

[Charley Downing]

I know the new cars are under factored. But that is why I built one. As racers we are also looking of an advantage over the competition.
But let's face it our sport was on a downward spiral. In 2007 membership for stk and ss was at a 15 year low. It needed some kind of shot in the arm to boost interest. I know some of you don't feel like I do, but putting these Comobs in with a soft HP sparked tons on interest and support from manufactures . And according to NHRA at PRI this year new membership is up over 250 members in SS and STK from 2007. You guys can taking all you want about HP but if there is no SS or STK what does it matter? HP well work itself out, it always does.






Kenny can you make a racer poll
Bruce should quit racing with NHRA
Bruce should stay racing with NHRA
Let's let the racing community of class racer vote

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

HP well work itself out, it always does.

Well do me a favor and put a 352 with an auto in your car and help expedite the process, hell I'll even drive it for you.

[Charley Downing]

Andrew you build or buy the motor you can use my car.