Pro funny stock - Page 2

dynomo · 02-08-2009, 12:28 PM

The prostockers of the day are no farther out there than the 9 second stockers that are faster than the original prostockers on onlly 9 inch tires

joe lewis · 02-08-2009, 01:28 PM

harold martin has been running efi successfully in pro mod for afew years now.also ihra has efi classess also,which also can run nhra.(a/fia in ihra is a/sa in nhra)a 1970 pro stock ran 10's or 9.9's.2009 pro stock runs 6.60's to 6.50's.a a/sa in 1970 ran 10.80's.a a/sa in 2009 runs9.70's.now tell me how stock has evolved as much as pro stock.

BlueOval Ralph · 02-08-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Williams

I don't agree with the posts about EFI. There is going to be an initial cost but after that it should be smooth sailing. You are going to pay somebody to educate you and hopefully you learn to do the tune on your own or it creates a crew position. But 3-400,000 dollars is way out of line. Where did those figures come from? Exxon-Mobil?

Steve

Where did those figures come from?

From other programs I have been involved with, unless the sanctioning boby specs the ecu, throttle bdy nad injectors you can spennd that much easily (Bosch, PacTel and other ecus. It is very easy to get lost on a injector development progam and spend up to $1,600.00 ea (thats $25,600 per engine for 2 or 3 hp) on injectors not only on spray patterns but also targeting them and what if you use 2 per cylinder??? Thats 16 per engine then you get into the overhead ( for cooling the charge) vrs the injector spraying into cylinder. Unless you have been involved in program like this you just don't know how much $$$ you can spend. You will hneed a electrical eng and a enginer that can write the codes and understands these ECU's. Most of the Bosch ECUs have to be done in German ( the base code). This will not be a retuned stocker.
Ralph

BlueOval Ralph · 02-08-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joe lewis

harold martin has been running efi successfully in pro mod for afew years now.also ihra has efi classess also,which also can run nhra.(a/fia in ihra is a/sa in nhra)a 1970 pro stock ran 10's or 9.9's.2009 pro stock runs 6.60's to 6.50's.a a/sa in 1970 ran 10.80's.a a/sa in 2009 runs9.70's.now tell me how stock has evolved as much as pro stock.

harold martin has been running efi successfully in pro mod for afew years.

How many IHRA national events has he won???

Paul Neal · 02-08-2009, 01:42 PM

I had a dual 4bbl setup when I first went SuperComp racing. A couple of years later I switched to an EFI setup from Harold Martin. Yes, there was a significant initial expense, mainly in the ECU and injectors. However, I'm sure my dual throttle bodies and the associated hardware are far less expensive than the many sets of carburetors a typical Pro Stock team has both at the shop for the dyno and in the trailer at the track.

Frank Castros · 02-08-2009, 01:54 PM

I'm biased but I would prefer Top Stock or a SS/AH shootout to today's Pro Stock show. Back in the day I loved Pro Stock, but now it has become a joke. It just seems to me that everything NHRA touches eventually becomes almost laughable. But, that's another story.

dynomo · 02-08-2009, 01:57 PM

pro mod is not in any way prostock and Harold Martins race record has nothing to do with the use of efi in prostock it's up to the santioning bodys to make the rules it's all about the money if some efi company stepped forward with money for the nhra or the class efi would be there tomorow

Rory McNeil · 02-08-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joe lewis

.a a/sa in 1970 ran 10.80's.a a/sa in 2009 runs9.70's.now tell me how stock has evolved as much as pro stock.

I`m not denying that current Pro Stock has gotten out of hand, but I really doubt that any A/SA cars were running 10.8`s in 1970. I think it was 1976 when Jim Waldos A/S 427 Fairlane was credited with running the 1rst 10 second pass in Stock Eliminator.

X-TECH MAN · 02-08-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I'm biased but I would prefer Top Stock or a SS/AH shootout to today's Pro Stock show. Back in the day I loved Pro Stock, but now it has become a joke. It just seems to me that everything NHRA touches eventually becomes almost laughable. But, that's another story.

Thats what I was going to say....we already have a "PRO" Stock catagory ready and waiting ! Its called TOP STOCK right now. At least a few more could join the exclusive "CLUB". called pro stock. At least the Top Stockers look like everyday cars.

joe lewis · 02-08-2009, 03:07 PM

harold martin racing.com,ran pro stock before he moved pro mod.the racer profile explains.

02-08-2009, 12:28 PM	#11
dynomo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 47 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock The prostockers of the day are no farther out there than the 9 second stockers that are faster than the original prostockers on onlly 9 inch tires

02-08-2009, 01:28 PM	#12
joe lewis Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock harold martin has been running efi successfully in pro mod for afew years now.also ihra has efi classess also,which also can run nhra.(a/fia in ihra is a/sa in nhra)a 1970 pro stock ran 10's or 9.9's.2009 pro stock runs 6.60's to 6.50's.a a/sa in 1970 ran 10.80's.a a/sa in 2009 runs9.70's.now tell me how stock has evolved as much as pro stock.

02-08-2009, 01:42 PM	#15
Paul Neal Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everett, Ma Posts: 32 Likes: 27 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pro funny stock I had a dual 4bbl setup when I first went SuperComp racing. A couple of years later I switched to an EFI setup from Harold Martin. Yes, there was a significant initial expense, mainly in the ECU and injectors. However, I'm sure my dual throttle bodies and the associated hardware are far less expensive than the many sets of carburetors a typical Pro Stock team has both at the shop for the dyno and in the trailer at the track. __________________ Paul Neal 119E TD/SC Dan Page 265" w/ Martin 632 6.490 @ 205.76 ...all motor!

02-08-2009, 01:54 PM	#16
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,725 Times in 961 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock I'm biased but I would prefer Top Stock or a SS/AH shootout to today's Pro Stock show. Back in the day I loved Pro Stock, but now it has become a joke. It just seems to me that everything NHRA touches eventually becomes almost laughable. But, that's another story.

02-08-2009, 01:57 PM	#17
dynomo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 47 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock pro mod is not in any way prostock and Harold Martins race record has nothing to do with the use of efi in prostock it's up to the santioning bodys to make the rules it's all about the money if some efi company stepped forward with money for the nhra or the class efi would be there tomorow

02-08-2009, 03:07 PM	#20
joe lewis Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock harold martin racing.com,ran pro stock before he moved pro mod.the racer profile explains.