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bill dedman · 07-21-2009, 12:25 PM

I don't think the "Commando" 235HP motor was available in a Valiant in 1964. It's not in the Classification guide for '64 for the Valiant. '65 is OK.

W J · 07-21-2009, 02:26 PM

You're correct Bill...I found out last nite that his 273/235hp Valiant convert was in fact a '65....Has anyone here seen one of these Formula S Valiants? Am sure there are some early Mopar in-the-know people here...I remember him waiting like 20 wks before taking delivery. It came out of Bancroft Chrysler/Plymouth in Worcester, Massachusetts....Good Year Blue Streak blue line tires, Formula S front fender badges, and all....

WJ

Paul Wong · 07-21-2009, 06:22 PM

I have a 65 valiant signet convertible 235/273 automatic and 65 valiant signet 235 /273 stick stocker. there were enough of these cars built and can be found if your looking for one.

W J · 07-21-2009, 06:27 PM

God, it sucks to get old...ha. The old friend w/the Valiant convertible 273/235 car calls me back awhile ago tonite to confirm that he ORDERED the car in late '65 and it actually was a 1966 model....hopefully, I didn't confuse anyone in-the-know w/all this....and the car had a 3.91 rear gear--not a 3.90. Best wishes.

WJ

W J · 07-22-2009, 05:21 PM

I'd love to see pics of his car.....thanks Al. WJ

STK4340 · 07-22-2009, 10:39 PM

It's a Valiant for sure as I have pictures of it at home. I'll try to post one tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. I wonder why more people haven't tried to run this combo or at least the style car in GT?

STK4340 · 07-23-2009, 01:47 PM

A few pics of the car, a '66 Valiant...

treessavoy · 07-23-2009, 03:04 PM

Since the D/Dart is only allowed in SS where would it fall and would it be competitive or will it need some HP dropped like the 235 cars?

In the day they weren't much quicker than the 235's.

Jim W, what kind of times did you get out of the one that you drove?

I would love to build one of these cars but who wants to spend all that money on a combination that's not competitive?

Jim R

W J · 07-23-2009, 03:26 PM

Thanks for the pics. Anyone know the weight difference between the 2 dr post cars, 2 dr hdtop, and convertible '66 Ply. Valiant cars? Thanks. WJ

treessavoy · 07-23-2009, 03:51 PM

NHRA classification for 1966 D/Dart:

275hp...no factor...SS only.

Dart GT : 2945lbs.....10.71 = SS/I

Dart Convertible* (?)......11.11 = SS/J

* We all know that there were NO convertibles built, why NHRA lists this is a complete mystery to me.

Jim R

07-21-2009, 12:25 PM	#11
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: for real or BS I don't think the "Commando" 235HP motor was available in a Valiant in 1964. It's not in the Classification guide for '64 for the Valiant. '65 is OK. __________________ Bill

07-21-2009, 02:26 PM	#12
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS You're correct Bill...I found out last nite that his 273/235hp Valiant convert was in fact a '65....Has anyone here seen one of these Formula S Valiants? Am sure there are some early Mopar in-the-know people here...I remember him waiting like 20 wks before taking delivery. It came out of Bancroft Chrysler/Plymouth in Worcester, Massachusetts....Good Year Blue Streak blue line tires, Formula S front fender badges, and all.... WJ Last edited by W J; 07-21-2009 at 02:49 PM. Reason: spell-bound.....

07-21-2009, 06:22 PM	#13
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 384 Likes: 101 Liked 419 Times in 85 Posts	Re: for real or BS I have a 65 valiant signet convertible 235/273 automatic and 65 valiant signet 235 /273 stick stocker. there were enough of these cars built and can be found if your looking for one.

07-21-2009, 06:27 PM	#14
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS God, it sucks to get old...ha. The old friend w/the Valiant convertible 273/235 car calls me back awhile ago tonite to confirm that he ORDERED the car in late '65 and it actually was a 1966 model....hopefully, I didn't confuse anyone in-the-know w/all this....and the car had a 3.91 rear gear--not a 3.90. Best wishes. WJ

07-22-2009, 05:21 PM	#15
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS I'd love to see pics of his car.....thanks Al. WJ

07-22-2009, 10:39 PM	#16
STK4340 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vacherie, LA Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS It's a Valiant for sure as I have pictures of it at home. I'll try to post one tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. I wonder why more people haven't tried to run this combo or at least the style car in GT?

07-23-2009, 01:47 PM	#17
STK4340 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vacherie, LA Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS A few pics of the car, a '66 Valiant... Attached Thumbnails

07-23-2009, 03:04 PM	#18
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: for real or BS Since the D/Dart is only allowed in SS where would it fall and would it be competitive or will it need some HP dropped like the 235 cars? In the day they weren't much quicker than the 235's. Jim W, what kind of times did you get out of the one that you drove? I would love to build one of these cars but who wants to spend all that money on a combination that's not competitive? Jim R __________________ Jim Rountree

07-23-2009, 03:26 PM	#19
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: for real or BS Thanks for the pics. Anyone know the weight difference between the 2 dr post cars, 2 dr hdtop, and convertible '66 Ply. Valiant cars? Thanks. WJ

07-23-2009, 03:51 PM	#20
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: for real or BS NHRA classification for 1966 D/Dart: 275hp...no factor...SS only. Dart GT : 2945lbs.....10.71 = SS/I Dart Convertible* (?)......11.11 = SS/J * We all know that there were NO convertibles built, why NHRA lists this is a complete mystery to me. Jim R __________________ Jim Rountree