Stk/ss ahfs - Poll - Page 2

Alan Roehrich · 11-18-2010, 06:58 PM

You could use 1/8 mile and 1000' as part of your data collection, but you cannot just toss them in and use them.

Alan Roehrich · 11-18-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

It would make the racing better for sure. I watched some qualifying at Charlotte earlier this year and was shocked at how many people were "protecting" their combination.

Most of the people protecting their combination are not dumping at 1000'. The guys dumping at 1000' are working the ladder, either looking for a bye, looking for a heads up, or looking to avoid one. They may also be looking to race a particular person, or avoid a particular person.

Guys protecting the combination are doing a ton of things you'll never see. You will not find it all at the scales either, regardless of what people might tell you. Those who think keeping people from running heavier than the minimum of the next lower class will stop sandbagging do not know how to play the game.

GUMP · 11-18-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Most of the people protecting their combination are not dumping at 1000'. The guys dumping at 1000' are working the ladder, either looking for a bye, looking for a heads up, or looking to avoid one. They may also be looking to race a particular person, or avoid a particular person.

OK. But, that still isn't a valid reason to not use the 660' or 1000' when factoring a combo.

Alan Roehrich · 11-18-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

OK. But, that still isn't a valid reason to not use the 660' or 1000' when factoring a combo.

That data is at best useful for adjusting the 1/4 mile data for averaging.

Andrew Hill · 11-18-2010, 09:13 PM

It would be interesting to see the results of this poll before the DPs and CJs came out. 1.0 under (then 1.30 under) was really fast back then (and still is).

B Aceves · 11-19-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Most of the people protecting their combination are not dumping at 1000'. The guys dumping at 1000' are working the ladder, either looking for a bye, looking for a heads up, or looking to avoid one. They may also be looking to race a particular person, or avoid a particular person.

Guys protecting the combination are doing a ton of things you'll never see. You will not find it all at the scales either, regardless of what people might tell you. Those who think keeping people from running heavier than the minimum of the next lower class will stop sandbagging do not know how to play the game.

One of the smartest responses ive read on here yet !! : )

KingReptile · 11-19-2010, 01:16 AM

1.0 sec under is a good run 1.20 is still good for a trigger for me.I know im not holding back next year never have never will balls out every run

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greg fulk · 11-19-2010, 04:06 AM

Jim I think 1.01 under gets you a review.....1.15 under gets you instant Hp. This gives "some room" we all know that their are conditions (aka tail wind, great track, ect) that well sometimes it's an accident ( the 327/275hp guys still feel the affects of this) but that being said 1.15 now is 1.45 under the old indexes & that needs Hp! (my .02 cents)

Gary Parker · 11-19-2010, 06:25 AM

I believe there are many cars under factored. But lets see, build a car, buy the trick trany, spend money on the rear so it is as good as it gets, spend time on the dyno, change cams, ring combos and have all the best parts. And your reward for all this hard work and money spent is you can run 1 sec. under. So lets add horsepower to that combo so it slows him down to run with the people who run slower on a budget. Its not a real hard thing to figure what combo needs HP. Lets try common scense on adjusting HP

Jim Bailey · 11-19-2010, 06:30 AM

Greg: The New AHFC approved by NHRA for 2011 now out. That's not what this survey is about. I just wondered what the general feeling between racers was. You know, What's a FAST run in your mind. I personally think -.8 to -.9 is fast under the new indexes, and that - 1.0 under is very fast. So with that said, I think the instant HP trigger based on the current and new system should be -1.1 under. That's purely my feelings. What's your's?

View Poll Results: Whats a Fast run under the current index?
-1.0 under index	108	77.14%
-1.5 under index	29	20.71%
-2.0 under index	2	1.43%
Faster than -2.0 under	1	0.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

11-18-2010, 06:58 PM	#11
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll You could use 1/8 mile and 1000' as part of your data collection, but you cannot just toss them in and use them. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-18-2010, 09:13 PM	#15
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 700 Likes: 446 Liked 170 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll It would be interesting to see the results of this poll before the DPs and CJs came out. 1.0 under (then 1.30 under) was really fast back then (and still is).

11-19-2010, 01:16 AM	#17
KingReptile Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 257 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll 1.0 sec under is a good run 1.20 is still good for a trigger for me.I know im not holding back next year never have never will balls out every run ..

11-19-2010, 04:06 AM	#18
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll Jim I think 1.01 under gets you a review.....1.15 under gets you instant Hp. This gives "some room" we all know that their are conditions (aka tail wind, great track, ect) that well sometimes it's an accident ( the 327/275hp guys still feel the affects of this) but that being said 1.15 now is 1.45 under the old indexes & that needs Hp! (my .02 cents) __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

11-19-2010, 06:25 AM	#19
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 368 Liked 423 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll I believe there are many cars under factored. But lets see, build a car, buy the trick trany, spend money on the rear so it is as good as it gets, spend time on the dyno, change cams, ring combos and have all the best parts. And your reward for all this hard work and money spent is you can run 1 sec. under. So lets add horsepower to that combo so it slows him down to run with the people who run slower on a budget. Its not a real hard thing to figure what combo needs HP. Lets try common scense on adjusting HP __________________ Gary Parker 1617 STK

11-19-2010, 06:30 AM	#20
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Stk/ss ahfs - Poll Greg: The New AHFC approved by NHRA for 2011 now out. That's not what this survey is about. I just wondered what the general feeling between racers was. You know, What's a FAST run in your mind. I personally think -.8 to -.9 is fast under the new indexes, and that - 1.0 under is very fast. So with that said, I think the instant HP trigger based on the current and new system should be -1.1 under. That's purely my feelings. What's your's?