Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? - Page 2

1320racer · 01-12-2011, 10:52 AM

herb...dead on with a zero!

1970 is long gone, it's the year 2011.

Count me amongst those that have professionals build their car as well engines and transmissions and I'm in good company with the majority of serious sportsman racers

Adger Smith · 01-12-2011, 10:58 AM

Wow, eveyone was typing at almost the same time!!!

AC · 01-12-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by herbjr

Racers havent done their own work for a long time. When is the last time a racers built his own Super Stock car. And I mean build it not buy a roller and finish it. The days of racers doing all their own work is over unless they are in the business to build cars or motors. How many class racers that are fast build their own motors from TOP TO BOTTOM. Even some of the top engine BUILDERS(haha) in this country are engine assemblers. The days of doing all the work in house is gone due to specialist who do only heads, custom pistons etc. Its all about the money anymore and has been for a long time.

Herb Jr

Wally Zalak in D1 built his own corvette in 2010 in his garage, welded the cage, installed the rear, suspension,brakes etc..., put his own motor together, the thing is a beauty, may not be the fastest but he built it!! Im sure he takes pride in his car but im sure he wants to win races as well.

Let me ask you guys this, where is your pride that all you do is bitch and complain. You want pride, go out and win the race, money means crap unless your the last one standing.

How many racers whether circle track, road racing or drag racing jump into cars and go out and kick ***!!! Thats pride, get in the car and win. You complain about these factory stockers, how many heads up runs have you had with them, how many are racing in their class?

I built my own stocker a few years back, yeah it was fun but you know what, it was also a bitch, pride for me was trying to go rounds and beat the guys you all whine about. Instead of stock or super stock they should call it whiners and super cry babies because their are more cry babie in this game then racers.

life is not fair, not everyone is dealt the same cards, I wonder sometimes how you guys function in life! May be their should be a mamby pamby forum sponsored by kleenex for you guys.

Billy Nees · 01-12-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Here we go! :-)

Ready Ed? Stock and SS racing (and pretty much all of Drag Racing) has stopped being a sport in which the participants get their "personal satisfaction" out of "creating and doing" and become a sport of participants who "buy someone elses creations and do".
I am going to guess that (as Andys Dad says) it has just all become a matter of time and you can make more money but not time.
I truely don't care how other people spend their money, it's their money, they made it let them spend it as they see fit. Maybe they get their "personal satisfaction" fix by making their money. I enjoy building things, I like to eat and stay warm and dry too. As long as I can make enough money to stay fed and warm I'm good with having time to build more things to go get my "personal satisfaction" fix with but I'll admit that I'm a throwback.
There have always been "doers and buyers" in racing but money has gotten easier to come by (not for me) in recent years (apparently) and there are just more participants with the ability to "buy" what the "doers" are willing to do.
That being said, if NHRA would make a Class Win count for something again, make winning Class count as a guarantee of a qualifing spot again, grow a set and come up with an immediate horsepower fix for all of the new combos and make the purses something less of a joke, maybe more of us could find less to bitch about.

AC · 01-12-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

maybe more of us could find less to bitch about.

i highly doubt that

1320racer · 01-12-2011, 11:23 AM

All these type of threads are really about is those that ain't going rounds and ain't winning races using the excuse that they were outspent.

What we do ain't cheap nor is easy to be on top. It requires MONEY, lots of it along with dedication, driving skill and some luck!

Wade Mahaffey · 01-12-2011, 11:23 AM

Herb, it's funny that you say that, Sox and Martin were my favorites when I was a kid. They were great pioneers, they learned how to do it, I don't think they just bought it! And Mr. Barone races, drives himself and does very well. I'm sure he paid his dues working on his stuff. I just think that we all would enjoy a win (more), driving a car that we built and/or had alot of hard work in. Having said that, however much you spend and however much you do, it will be my pleasure to sit beside you and compete. We are all competitors, just at different levels and different view points. Sorry if you were offended

Wade Mahaffey

Casey Miles · 01-12-2011, 11:23 AM

HerbJ: You have hit a point that alot of people seem to miss, but there are still some of us out there who still answer the question " Who is your engine builder?" , you are talking to him. Granted, personaly I can't be as competitive as the check writers, but that $5. bottle of shoe polish makes up for that in a big way. It's disapointing that people don't do as much of there own work as it used to be, but time moves on, along with the sport. It's the same as our country, it's service oriented versus manufacturing based now.

Has anyone esle do the math on the Mopar's V-10, it can be as big as 532 cubic inches in stock rules. Rated 450 HP, yah hoo!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Hemiparts · 01-12-2011, 11:52 AM

The problem i see with guys building their own cars is the rules have gotten so that most folks can't build their own legal roll cages. You can build motors and trans and rears all day long but cage work can be tricky. As far as someone owing the car and not driving it, in some cases the owner can't drive his car due to medical reasons but still want's to enjoy the sport as an owner. my .02

Chris

Harry 6674 · 01-12-2011, 12:00 PM

Wade I'm with you on this. No way could I have a race car or street rod built by some one else. To me it's just as much if not more fun to build them as drive them. I think some people think it hard to do by how high shop rates are but it's really not. I think theres more home built cars out there than people think. Way more bang for your buck.

01-12-2011, 10:52 AM	#11
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? herb...dead on with a zero! 1970 is long gone, it's the year 2011. Count me amongst those that have professionals build their car as well engines and transmissions and I'm in good company with the majority of serious sportsman racers Last edited by 1320racer; 01-12-2011 at 10:54 AM.

01-12-2011, 10:58 AM	#12
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? Wow, eveyone was typing at almost the same time!!! __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 01-12-2011 at 10:59 AM. Reason: sp

01-12-2011, 11:23 AM	#16
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? All these type of threads are really about is those that ain't going rounds and ain't winning races using the excuse that they were outspent. What we do ain't cheap nor is easy to be on top. It requires MONEY, lots of it along with dedication, driving skill and some luck!

01-12-2011, 11:23 AM	#17
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? Herb, it's funny that you say that, Sox and Martin were my favorites when I was a kid. They were great pioneers, they learned how to do it, I don't think they just bought it! And Mr. Barone races, drives himself and does very well. I'm sure he paid his dues working on his stuff. I just think that we all would enjoy a win (more), driving a car that we built and/or had alot of hard work in. Having said that, however much you spend and however much you do, it will be my pleasure to sit beside you and compete. We are all competitors, just at different levels and different view points. Sorry if you were offended Wade Mahaffey Last edited by Wade Mahaffey; 01-12-2011 at 12:01 PM.

01-12-2011, 11:23 AM	#18
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 705 Likes: 128 Liked 502 Times in 91 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? HerbJ: You have hit a point that alot of people seem to miss, but there are still some of us out there who still answer the question " Who is your engine builder?" , you are talking to him. Granted, personaly I can't be as competitive as the check writers, but that $5. bottle of shoe polish makes up for that in a big way. It's disapointing that people don't do as much of there own work as it used to be, but time moves on, along with the sport. It's the same as our country, it's service oriented versus manufacturing based now. Has anyone esle do the math on the Mopar's V-10, it can be as big as 532 cubic inches in stock rules. Rated 450 HP, yah hoo! Casey Miles 248H Stock?

01-12-2011, 11:52 AM	#19
Hemiparts Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Raleigh, N.C Posts: 212 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? The problem i see with guys building their own cars is the rules have gotten so that most folks can't build their own legal roll cages. You can build motors and trans and rears all day long but cage work can be tricky. As far as someone owing the car and not driving it, in some cases the owner can't drive his car due to medical reasons but still want's to enjoy the sport as an owner. my .02 Chris

01-12-2011, 12:00 PM	#20
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where is the pride? Is it just a checkbook? Wade I'm with you on this. No way could I have a race car or street rod built by some one else. To me it's just as much if not more fun to build them as drive them. I think some people think it hard to do by how high shop rates are but it's really not. I think theres more home built cars out there than people think. Way more bang for your buck.