HP Adjustments on NHRA.com - Page 2

Nick Heath · 07-07-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Precht

Whats up with the 70 GTX 6pak, it's listed twice, at 393 and 422 HP.

It looks like 393 is the factor with the factory head, 422 is the factor with the replacement Edelbrock head.

Michael Beard · 07-07-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

What Michael is saying is make a set penalty for any FWD conversion. However, I am not sure how you would come up with the proper adjustment. You would have to have two good cars (one fwd and one rwd) set up equally with same engine combo, and you would have to test each car with the same drivetrain. Rather then having a Fwd conversion hp for every engine combo, you would have say a 10hp penalty for any FWD conversion. It is obvious that something needed to be done because the FWD cars are obviously faster, but the big question is how much faster are they?

Thanks. That's what I was getting at, although I was thinking more along the lines of a weight penalty, whether it be static or a percentage, instead of continuing to gunk up the works with different HP factors.

Yes, I'm familiar with the "platforms" factoring. Great, so they've turned it into a lower form of Comp. "Combo got hit in one platform, so I'll just put it in a different platform car." Greeeeaat.

Not too many people can afford to do that.

Kevin Panzino · 07-07-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

For the last 10+ years, FWD GT cars have been bombing combinations with hp, while the RWD GT cars running those same combos have not, but suffered the effects by adding the same weight and hp to those combinations. Finally, NHRA has realized what all of us effected by this have known all along!

Couldnt agree more. Well said.

kdanner · 07-07-2014, 07:57 PM

The 2013 CJ 302 is now a natural CC car. Good lord.

farmco r/sa · 07-07-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat Raceway

427 COPO's take another hit! One more HP on the 12 & 13's and they are natural AA cars.

fortunate for those who have a 2014.....

Bernie Cunningham · 07-07-2014, 10:02 PM

Is it just me seeing something for the first time or is there an unusually long list of requests in this report?

SPS · 07-07-2014, 10:03 PM

So NHRA has done it again.

First, Michael is absolutely correct in that an engine does not know what chassis
it's in. The HP factors for straight SS and GT have never made any sense to me, or any competent engine builder for that matter.

Now you want to say it matters if it's a RWD or FWD conversion???

Having been involved in the sport from the inset of GT, (and anyone that was) will remember that in the beginning, the GT cars were considerably slower than the straight SS cars.
Where did the difference come from??
WORK!!!!
These cars were owned and raced by people that worked on their stuff and made it fast.

I suggest the same thing is today with the conversion cars.

Back In the old modified days (yea, I'm old), when you got outrun, you went home and worked on your stuff. No crying on the internet, no emails, and certainly no AHFS.

I suggest the rest go work on their s##t and low and behold, be just as fast.

FJ

Ed Wright · 07-07-2014, 10:06 PM

Well stated F.J.! Very few work hard to make their stuff fast anymore. Bracket racers.

Doug McCue · 07-07-2014, 10:26 PM

for three years I have asked the 1970 - 402/375 in a camaro be refactored and each time has been not changed. The combo is not correct with current hp thoughts what should be the next step?

Casey Miles · 07-07-2014, 10:37 PM

I see the new cars in a different way, everyone of the new cars introduced to NHRA competition should have 100 HP added to the stock HP rating and let them race the HP off. This way the racers will have to make the cars run what they can run and not get a gift of qualifying at the top of the fields. Every time I go to a race, I see the new cars with hardly having to take the valve covers off to run 1 second under. These cars in the most part don't belong in Stock anyway, they don't have Vin numbers to be legal on the street and they don't have motors that are in regular production with the vehicles. Nothing will change, just the car counts going down because the older cars can't compete with the new technology. In 1970, the Z/28 350 which has been re rated now, was rated at 400 hp in 1970, solid lifter, carburetor and distributor. How does a 1998 and newer 350 which has roller cam, fuel injection and crank trigger end up with less HP the the 1970 engine?
Just my point of view.

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

07-07-2014, 07:57 PM	#14
kdanner Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 221 Likes: 50 Liked 38 Times in 17 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com The 2013 CJ 302 is now a natural CC car. Good lord. __________________ K Danner STK 468

07-07-2014, 10:02 PM	#16
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Is it just me seeing something for the first time or is there an unusually long list of requests in this report? __________________ Bernie Cunningham 7053 STK

07-07-2014, 10:03 PM	#17
SPS Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cayuga, Canada Posts: 298 Likes: 37 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com So NHRA has done it again. First, Michael is absolutely correct in that an engine does not know what chassis it's in. The HP factors for straight SS and GT have never made any sense to me, or any competent engine builder for that matter. Now you want to say it matters if it's a RWD or FWD conversion??? Having been involved in the sport from the inset of GT, (and anyone that was) will remember that in the beginning, the GT cars were considerably slower than the straight SS cars. Where did the difference come from?? WORK!!!! These cars were owned and raced by people that worked on their stuff and made it fast. I suggest the same thing is today with the conversion cars. Back In the old modified days (yea, I'm old), when you got outrun, you went home and worked on your stuff. No crying on the internet, no emails, and certainly no AHFS. I suggest the rest go work on their s##t and low and behold, be just as fast. FJ

07-07-2014, 10:06 PM	#18
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Well stated F.J.! Very few work hard to make their stuff fast anymore. Bracket racers. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

07-07-2014, 10:26 PM	#19
Doug McCue Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Likes: 7 Liked 13 Times in 2 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com for three years I have asked the 1970 - 402/375 in a camaro be refactored and each time has been not changed. The combo is not correct with current hp thoughts what should be the next step?

07-07-2014, 10:37 PM	#20
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 507 Times in 92 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com I see the new cars in a different way, everyone of the new cars introduced to NHRA competition should have 100 HP added to the stock HP rating and let them race the HP off. This way the racers will have to make the cars run what they can run and not get a gift of qualifying at the top of the fields. Every time I go to a race, I see the new cars with hardly having to take the valve covers off to run 1 second under. These cars in the most part don't belong in Stock anyway, they don't have Vin numbers to be legal on the street and they don't have motors that are in regular production with the vehicles. Nothing will change, just the car counts going down because the older cars can't compete with the new technology. In 1970, the Z/28 350 which has been re rated now, was rated at 400 hp in 1970, solid lifter, carburetor and distributor. How does a 1998 and newer 350 which has roller cam, fuel injection and crank trigger end up with less HP the the 1970 engine? Just my point of view. Casey Miles 248H "F" NHRA Stock