New nmca class 2017 - Page 2

ALMACK · 10-25-2016, 03:31 PM

Just some observations here:

* I would be curious to know the real numbers on how many people will not attend a combo race knowing that there is a chance of a heads up race during eliminations. Especially the heavily populated upper and middle letter classes.

* If the IHRA cars are included ( which they should be), then what happens when the racer has an IHRA combo that has an equivalent NHRA class ? Use the NHRA index or the IHRA index ?

* Maybe the NMCA could have at one of their events an additional special race for the Stk/SS racers...

....a C.I.C. race

Stock finalist vs. SS finalist like Michael Beard had at the Class Nationals

Larry Hill · 10-25-2016, 03:54 PM

Even the worst solution is going to be a good one, 'cause we will have another place to race..

Terry Knott · 10-25-2016, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Even the worst solution is going to be a good one, 'cause we will have another place to race..

True statement.as long as there isn't a NHRA national/divisional that weekend......that's where the Wally chasers will go.

I've raced NMCA Nostalgia Muscle Car and Open Comp. Fun races, lots of spectators that love street looking/full bodied cars.
Their entry fee for the each class I ran was $175 for the weekend with $750 for a win...with VERY limited contingency.

One rule that should be Implemented/enforced...ALL S/SS competitors should have a NHRA/IHRA permanent number and license. I did email this suggestion to them.

Charley Downing nailed this one...............

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing;

"Besides the hard core Class Racers are not racing anything but NHRA with there $15000-$35000 class engines. Because it's all about that mini class wally. "..

GUMP · 10-25-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Gump
I understand NMCA Technical staff is good but why do you want to overload them.

Did you get torn down at Atlanta this year?

Dave Casey · 10-25-2016, 10:02 PM

Great to see that it is being considered, anything is a step in the correct direction.

The ASRA has been having heads up races all of the 30 plus years they have been running and if anything it has added to the very successful program.

Dan Fahey · 10-25-2016, 10:22 PM

NMCA should collaborate with all the independent S/SS racing associations!
Double up with them for a large race.
IHRA/NHRA rules apply. Heads up if in same class.
Can simply fly rules having an A-Z class by folding similar Indexes into on class.
For example Crate, truck, FWD, Pure Stock into closest comparable ET in Stock.

Maybe an opportunity for NMCA and IHRA to collaborate as well or a few well placed Super Nationals.

So you rent an NHRA track...
About time tracks can have all three associations above to use the same tracks..

Rusty Gillis · 10-26-2016, 09:13 AM

Just make it easy. All NHRA or IHRA Stock and Super Stock cars are legal. Have class index with .25 between them. Pick a class no weight check or tech inspection just safety.

HandOverFist · 10-26-2016, 11:10 AM

I will likely just run the NMC class as originally planned before this discussion ever came up. The only heads up race I will face will be my index (probably D/NMC) and it will simply come down to operator skill/error.

Jeff Niceswanger · 10-26-2016, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK

Just some observations here:

* I would be curious to know the real numbers on how many people will not attend a combo race knowing that there is a chance of a heads up race during eliminations. Especially the heavily populated upper and middle letter classes.

* If the IHRA cars are included ( which they should be), then what happens when the racer has an IHRA combo that has an equivalent NHRA class ? Use the NHRA index or the IHRA index ?

* Maybe the NMCA could have at one of their events an additional special race for the Stk/SS racers...

....a C.I.C. race

Stock finalist vs. SS finalist like Michael Beard had at the Class Nationals

We don't go to many of them for the opposite reasons .. The lack of heads -up runs makes them just a bracket race . We can do that every weekend and only travel 20 miles ... Why in the world, would you want to build a class car, and then be afraid to race class..... I just don't get it . If you get outran, so what? The odds of winning are not that great anyway, . A million things can happen to take you out , right ?
And I think its borderline embarrassing, to try to explain to someone in the lanes, you know, those pesky bracket racers, why your bracket racing with "only" class cars ... As far as their concerned, there can be no other reason, other than we are to good to race with anybody but ourselves ... They ask..." Why not just buy into "Pro ET" ... Now I understand if there are no scales, or its somehow impossible , but in this instance... that is not the case

Casey Miles · 10-26-2016, 04:57 PM

Their entry fee for the each class I ran was $175 for the weekend with $750 for a win...with VERY limited contingency

I personally would not travel to one of their races for that kind of money, why would anyone race that race? I hate to make it about money, but that is what makes the world turn. Local is $50 to win a $1000 in no box. Here we go again, you add the words "Stock and Super Stock" and the ratio of entry fees doesn't even come close to purse amounts. Even NHRA's entry fees of $165 to win a $1000 is a better deal, which sucks at best.

Just my perspective.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

10-25-2016, 03:31 PM	#11
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,927 Likes: 121 Liked 347 Times in 123 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 Just some observations here: * I would be curious to know the real numbers on how many people will not attend a combo race knowing that there is a chance of a heads up race during eliminations. Especially the heavily populated upper and middle letter classes. * If the IHRA cars are included ( which they should be), then what happens when the racer has an IHRA combo that has an equivalent NHRA class ? Use the NHRA index or the IHRA index ? * Maybe the NMCA could have at one of their events an additional special race for the Stk/SS racers... ....a C.I.C. race Stock finalist vs. SS finalist like Michael Beard had at the Class Nationals __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT

10-25-2016, 03:54 PM	#12
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,583 Likes: 1,866 Liked 10,582 Times in 2,186 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 Even the worst solution is going to be a good one, 'cause we will have another place to race.. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-25-2016, 10:02 PM	#15
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,194 Likes: 233 Liked 758 Times in 160 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 Great to see that it is being considered, anything is a step in the correct direction. The ASRA has been having heads up races all of the 30 plus years they have been running and if anything it has added to the very successful program. __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

10-25-2016, 10:22 PM	#16
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,126 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 NMCA should collaborate with all the independent S/SS racing associations! Double up with them for a large race. IHRA/NHRA rules apply. Heads up if in same class. Can simply fly rules having an A-Z class by folding similar Indexes into on class. For example Crate, truck, FWD, Pure Stock into closest comparable ET in Stock. Maybe an opportunity for NMCA and IHRA to collaborate as well or a few well placed Super Nationals. So you rent an NHRA track... About time tracks can have all three associations above to use the same tracks..

10-26-2016, 09:13 AM	#17
Rusty Gillis Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Likes: 21 Liked 87 Times in 19 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 Just make it easy. All NHRA or IHRA Stock and Super Stock cars are legal. Have class index with .25 between them. Pick a class no weight check or tech inspection just safety. __________________ Rusty Gillis Former NHRA SS/FA and SS/GA record holder

10-26-2016, 11:10 AM	#18
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 I will likely just run the NMC class as originally planned before this discussion ever came up. The only heads up race I will face will be my index (probably D/NMC) and it will simply come down to operator skill/error. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321

10-26-2016, 04:57 PM	#20
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 699 Likes: 123 Liked 475 Times in 88 Posts	Re: New nmca class 2017 Their entry fee for the each class I ran was $175 for the weekend with $750 for a win...with VERY limited contingency I personally would not travel to one of their races for that kind of money, why would anyone race that race? I hate to make it about money, but that is what makes the world turn. Local is $50 to win a $1000 in no box. Here we go again, you add the words "Stock and Super Stock" and the ratio of entry fees doesn't even come close to purse amounts. Even NHRA's entry fees of $165 to win a $1000 is a better deal, which sucks at best. Just my perspective. Casey Miles 248H Stock?