Who has the fastest,quickest Pontiac

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

The only run that I know of for sure happened at Seattle in 2017. It was in the first round of the bracket portion of the Divisional race in Aug. of 2017. Scott dialed 10.00 and went 9.989 @129.77. It is on DRC for that event.

Thanks for that !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

72 Scott Burton
0.028 9.989 129.77
Dial: 10.00 (+/-): -0.011

Also noticed that Pontiac racer Ryan Warter won that bracket !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

[oldskool]

So, Don K., does your "... traditional Pontiac Super Stocker..." include the SS/AM class ?

I'm just assuming it don't. I figure you mean those bodies that came with a Pontiac engine, and using a Q-jet if that's what came on the engine, and either the correct original heads, or NHRA legal replacements.

But hey, I could be wrong.

Happy New Year, ya'll !

[Rick Unterseh]

Fastest, quickest Pontiac...... et on the timeslip or under the index?

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh

Fastest, quickest Pontiac...... et on the timeslip or under the index?

Rick, I assume he means ET.

I don't think you could really determine who's the farthest under the index. There are lots of cars that can go more than a sec under. But, as all here know, most don't want any hp added to their combo, so they sandbag.

Not many would want to make their car less competitive.

But I AM still interested in the SS/AM deal. For you guys who know, what are the basic rules, which allow them to go quicker than a regular SS or GT car, with a similar engine. Sorry for the infantile question, but I don't have a rule book, & haven't found the answers online.

Here's all I've found online, so far.

" SS/AM 7.50-8.49 pounds per cid '

So, if it's like the old MP class, the small cube high rpm engine has the best chance to be competitive. I still remember seeing/hearing those 283 or? sbc MP engines screaming, right before they popped the clutch, then all the way down the track. I assume they were turning 8000 or more, even back then.

Those cars had tall tunnel rams with 2 Holleys.

[Mike Jones]

I believe J B Clegg, who you mention, held the record for a time. I thought I read it was a B/A type Comp motor. I assume it had "Pontiac" heads on a BBC platform... Is that correct? If so, I think you have to stop at Super Stock, strictly speaking.
Happy New Year
MJ

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh

Fastest, quickest Pontiac...... et on the timeslip or under the index?

Quickest and fastest not necessarily under the index

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Quickest and fastest not necessarily under the index

Well, if the SS/AM class is NOT included, I still say that J.B. & John Clegg's SD455 stick cars are the quickest. They've run both the '73 that John bought new, and the '74, that's supposed to be the old H-O car. They restored the '73 a while back to make the '18 US Nats. Don't know if they used the engine out of the '74, or built a new one.

Here again is a link to a race where J.B. ran back-to-back 9.62's, in SS/I trim. Don't know of a reg Pontiac SS car that's gone quicker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

The old '69 RAIV Angeles & McCarthy Bird that Keri still drives, ran high 9's. But, I don't know of another reg SS Pontiac that will get as deep into the 9's as the Cleggs' cars. And, they switched over to GT, with the '69 Bird. So, it's not in the running here.

If there is one, or some, quicker than the Cleggs' SD455 Birds, I'd like to know about 'em.

I just looked thru my pics of currently active SS Pontiacs, and believe it or not, the 350 powered cars of Bill Rink & Mike Morgan are, I think, the next quickest to the Clegg car. I know that don't sound right. I think both cars have been below 10.50. How many other currently active SS Pontiacs do ya'll know that run low 10's or quicker ? I suppose that some of the Pontiac Stockers can actually run quicker than most of the SS Pontiacs. I suppose that Pontiac SS guys with the money to spend have switched over to GT, and many of the others are fairly low buck racers, who are content to just go quick enuff to run the index, in hot weather.

With all the Pontiac stockers that can now run real low 10's, I've often wondered how much quicker they'd be, with SS mods added. For example: Scott Burton's '70 RAIV Bird Stocker ran some 10-teens, & even a 9.98 at a bracket race. So, how much quicker could it be as a big tire, 1st class SS car ? Couldn't you likely gain more than half a sec, with all the SS upgrades ?

Seems to me that Bill Rink gained closer to a sec, when he switched his '74 GTO over to SS. But, I suppose the small cam, low compression engines can gain more, when switching. I'm sure that some of you guys have done it & know how it works.

[Don Kennedy]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Well, if the SS/AM class is NOT included, I still say that J.B. & John Clegg's SD455 stick cars are the quickest. They've run both the '73 that John bought new, and the '74, that's supposed to be the old H-O car. They restored the '73 a while back to make the '18 US Nats. Don't know if they used the engine out of the '74, or built a new one.

Here again is a link to a race where J.B. ran back-to-back 9.62's, in SS/I trim. Don't know of a reg Pontiac SS car that's gone quicker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

The old '69 RAIV Angeles & McCarthy Bird that Keri still drives, ran high 9's. But, I don't know of another reg SS Pontiac that will get as deep into the 9's as the Cleggs' cars. And, they switched over to GT, with the '69 Bird. So, it's not in the running here.

If there is one, or some, quicker than the Cleggs' SD455 Birds, I'd like to know about 'em.

With all the Pontiac stockers that can now run real low 10's, I've often wondered how much quicker they'd be, with SS mods added. For example: Scott Burton's '70 RAIV Bird Stocker ran some 10-teens, & even a 9.98 at a bracket race. So, how much quicker could it be as a big tire, 1st class SS car ? Couldn't you likely gain more than half a sec, with all the SS upgrades ?

Seems to me that Bill Rink gained closer to a sec, when he switched his '74 GTO over to SS. But, I suppose the small cam, low compression engines can gain more, when switching. I'm sure that some of you guys know how it works.

Rinks car is a rocket ship with lots in the bag left

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by oldskool

Well, if the SS/AM class is NOT included, I still say that J.B. & John Clegg's SD455 stick cars are the quickest.

I`m not saying it shouldn`t be included, just not sure how much Pontiac we are talking about. Needs clarification
MJ

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

I`m not saying it shouldn`t be included, just not sure how much Pontiac we are talking about. Needs clarification
MJ

OK, I'm not familiar with any of the "Pontiac" SS/AM cars.

So, are you saying that none of these cars are running a traditional Pontiac block nor the aftermarket Pontiac block, but instead are running some sort of BBC or other aftermarket type block ?

If that is the case, then there's no way to include them under the heading of a "...traditional Pontiac Super Stocker...", IMO.

To me, "traditional" means that you run an engine that was available in the body you're using. Then you either use the correct heads for claimed engine, or legal replacement heads. And you use the same size & type carb that the engine came with. So, for most '67-up Pontiacs, that would be either a 750 or an 800 Q-jet. Many older models had either an AFB or Tri-power. So, for most Pontiacs, if you put a Holley type carb on it, the car is no longer a traditional SS car, IMO.

I could be wrong. Opinions differ.

PS: As is probably the case with other brands, you can now build a complete "Pontiac" engine, without using a single part that was made or sold by GM. We have aftermarket everything. The alum head 428 SS engine is one example of that. You CAN run a GM Q-jet, or you can run an Edelbrock Q-jet. But all you class racers know that.

At least the car bodies still look the same as when produced, unlike the way Pro-Stock evolved into something that looks nothing like a real car. Remember the real Camaro bodies the early Pro-Stock guys ran ? Same with NASCAR. It was cool to see race cars that looked like real street cars.