Big Money Class Races-our thoughts - Page 2

Jim Bailey · 04-07-2021, 03:42 PM

Lots of good ideas !!! I think the answer to your guys questions are ... #1 Norwalk is the track, and #2, with help and guidance from Bill Bader Jr., lots of fans in the stands! ... "Profit" for the promoter is not a Bad Word. Without it, these races won't survive.

GTS340 · 04-07-2021, 04:36 PM

The term "Big Bucks" is still coming out of the racers wallets. Specially if the only races are 1500 miles or more away. The NHRA Sportsnational has the same problem. The state of Ohio isn't that close to division 2,4,5,6 or 7. Pump gas cost money too.
Wanting 200 racers to donate "big bucks" for 1 to win "big bucks" doesn't make the other 199 racer want to repeat and repeat. Spread the wealth out a little at least.

Mike Pearson · 04-07-2021, 04:57 PM

I personally thing the format at SGMP was the way to go. Friday, Saturday and Sunday race. 3 chances at 20K for a $300 entry for each race and the 50K race to boot. Its better to race on the weekend for most and take less days off of work. I checked the mileage for me to go to CRR race and it was 1250 one way. that adds 2 days of travel each way so I would have to take more than a week off of work for that event and travel time. The class racer nations put on by Ken is about the same distance tow for me. I have to pick and choose the events that I can go to based on the amount of time away from work. Luckily the SGMP race was a fairly close race for me and I was able to attend and support it. I have no problem pony'ing up my money and racing with out a consolation race. If I do good and win some rounds and money that's great. If I get beat I just lick my wounds and head home. I will try to support these type of events as best I can.

I think both races were awesome and hope the next one is just as good and the promoters can keep it going.

GUMP · 04-07-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Gump: if you want a classy trophy, check out the ones I donated to the revival; of course they don't have the history of the Wally, on the other hand Wally's are very diluted right now*

Another random thought: how about asking Sportsman MFGs (those mainly targeting our group) to help in S SS races, as we are the main customers and because we tear things up, we are repeat customers

* as I stated in an earlier post, S SS are creative people, and although I like my design, there can be more attractive trophies designed

They look nice in the photos. That is exactly what I am talking about. Something that is a conversation piece for years to come.

I had seriously considered running a COPO in the CIC race, but ended up having to work all weekend. Did the winner of that race get a trophy?

Ernie Neal · 04-07-2021, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

I had seriously considered running a COPO in the CIC race, but ended up having to work all weekend. Did the winner of that race get a trophy?

If you play this video use the slide bar at the bottom to fast forward to 9:33:45, at this point you can see a glimpse of the Superstock CIC trophy.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

Bob Sherwood · 04-07-2021, 08:37 PM

lots of good input . I would like to focus on the format of these races , the time and where, could be discussed at a later time. Jason& Bo and their group and Tyle and his group put on great events, THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT, with the only downside being poor attendance !! Looking ahead ,how do we change that?? how do we achive better turnout so these events can repeat ?? Nhra is never going to provide this !! The question is, do you favor a large payout to win with limited round money or smaller payout to win with round money to second round ?? Which would get you to attend these races ? I'm not saying that this is the fix,but these events need numbers or they WON"T be there !! Thanks Bob

Dean Feiock · 04-09-2021, 12:53 PM

Travel distance will always be a factor for those who work an average 8-5 job. For many, the lost time from work, the travel costs, motel costs, and racing fees top several thousand dollars to attend a race that is many miles away.

Another factor is simply the competitiveness of your car. From what I have seen posted for St. Louis, the top half of the field was .90 under or better. And the top 64 or so of the 75 car field was .50 under or better. Not much reason for the average Joe to travel that far and spend that much money with just an average car.

04-07-2021, 04:57 PM	#3
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,456 Likes: 618 Liked 1,945 Times in 586 Posts	Re: Big Money Class Races-our thoughts I personally thing the format at SGMP was the way to go. Friday, Saturday and Sunday race. 3 chances at 20K for a $300 entry for each race and the 50K race to boot. Its better to race on the weekend for most and take less days off of work. I checked the mileage for me to go to CRR race and it was 1250 one way. that adds 2 days of travel each way so I would have to take more than a week off of work for that event and travel time. The class racer nations put on by Ken is about the same distance tow for me. I have to pick and choose the events that I can go to based on the amount of time away from work. Luckily the SGMP race was a fairly close race for me and I was able to attend and support it. I have no problem pony'ing up my money and racing with out a consolation race. If I do good and win some rounds and money that's great. If I get beat I just lick my wounds and head home. I will try to support these type of events as best I can. I think both races were awesome and hope the next one is just as good and the promoters can keep it going. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

04-07-2021, 08:37 PM	#6
Bob Sherwood Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Dakota Posts: 153 Likes: 70 Liked 388 Times in 60 Posts	Re: Big Money Class Races-our thoughts lots of good input . I would like to focus on the format of these races , the time and where, could be discussed at a later time. Jason& Bo and their group and Tyle and his group put on great events, THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT, with the only downside being poor attendance !! Looking ahead ,how do we change that?? how do we achive better turnout so these events can repeat ?? Nhra is never going to provide this !! The question is, do you favor a large payout to win with limited round money or smaller payout to win with round money to second round ?? Which would get you to attend these races ? I'm not saying that this is the fix,but these events need numbers or they WON"T be there !! Thanks Bob

04-09-2021, 12:53 PM	#7
Dean Feiock Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pierre, SD Posts: 204 Likes: 0 Liked 49 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Big Money Class Races-our thoughts Travel distance will always be a factor for those who work an average 8-5 job. For many, the lost time from work, the travel costs, motel costs, and racing fees top several thousand dollars to attend a race that is many miles away. Another factor is simply the competitiveness of your car. From what I have seen posted for St. Louis, the top half of the field was .90 under or better. And the top 64 or so of the 75 car field was .50 under or better. Not much reason for the average Joe to travel that far and spend that much money with just an average car. __________________ Dean Feiock -- Stock 5002

04-07-2021, 03:42 PM	#1
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Big Money Class Races-our thoughts Lots of good ideas !!! I think the answer to your guys questions are ... #1 Norwalk is the track, and #2, with help and guidance from Bill Bader Jr., lots of fans in the stands! ... "Profit" for the promoter is not a Bad Word. Without it, these races won't survive.

04-07-2021, 04:36 PM	#2
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 874 Likes: 275 Liked 1,349 Times in 412 Posts	Re: Big Money Class Races-our thoughts The term "Big Bucks" is still coming out of the racers wallets. Specially if the only races are 1500 miles or more away. The NHRA Sportsnational has the same problem. The state of Ohio isn't that close to division 2,4,5,6 or 7. Pump gas cost money too. Wanting 200 racers to donate "big bucks" for 1 to win "big bucks" doesn't make the other 199 racer want to repeat and repeat. Spread the wealth out a little at least.