Raising Mineshaft Requirements To .95 Under For Stock

[Mike Pearson]

Maybe it would be better to consider a race mineshaft by the weather conditions. That is what it was actually intended for. Low temp, high barometer, low humidity and tail wind. So lets say below 62 degrees. Baro above 30.15 Humidity below 30% and tail wind above 7 mph. In my mind that is mineshaft.

[J.R. Haddad]

Mike, I don't want to come across as argumentative, maybe just comparing
regions. At lots of races that I have attended over the years in the Midwest,
I would consider a barometer of 29.5, temp of 75 or less, humidity of 50%
or less, and no wind as mineshaft capable. I can only dream of the conditions you describe at a National Open. I don't know the answer,
but I'm not sure there is a problem. NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

[James Perrone]

It only effects Division 1
We hit the mineshaft more than any other division
We are Bad azz fast over here. D-1. Or we live in fantasy land
Not for the weak.

[JeremyDuncan]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Maybe it would be better to consider a race mineshaft by the weather conditions. That is what it was actually intended for. Low temp, high barometer, low humidity and tail wind. So lets say below 62 degrees. Baro above 30.15 Humidity below 30% and tail wind above 7 mph. In my mind that is mineshaft.

So when would these weather conditions apply?

8am? 12pm?
Beginning of Stock qualifying?
Beginning of SS qualifying?
Each pair of cars?

What if the parameters were met at the beginning of a session then you had a 2 hour rain delay in the middle of qualifying would they still apply?

Using weather Data is just too unwieldy!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bingo!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[DG]

Instead of penalizing performance, NHRA should incentivize performance.

Cash, plaque and 10 points for #1 qualifier, 5 points for #2 qualifier
10 points for setting record
Qualified field at National Events
Cash and 10 points for winning class

Incentives will be more fun and get quicker results than just establishing a new line in the sand.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by DG

Instead of penalizing performance, NHRA should incentivize performance.

Cash, plaque and 10 points for #1 qualifier, 5 points for #2 qualifier
10 points for setting record
Qualified field at National Events
Cash and 10 points for winning class

Incentives will be more fun and get quicker results than just establishing a new line in the sand.

Only if, at the same time, they expand tech, do more "tear downs" and tighten up on or close the loop-holes and gray areas.

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Only if, at the same time, they expand tech, do more "tear downs" and tighten up on or close the loop-holes and gray areas.

Exactly the problem, if someone destroys my combo by going 1.50 or more under, I want to know it was legal.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[jmantle]

My take on what would be considered mineshaft.
Density altitude is less than the actual altitude of the track, as determined by NHRA,
to be determined at the start of each round of qualifying and eliminations for that class.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Mike, I don't want to come across as argumentative, maybe just comparing
regions. At lots of races that I have attended over the years in the Midwest,
I would consider a barometer of 29.5, temp of 75 or less, humidity of 50%
or less, and no wind as mineshaft capable. I can only dream of the conditions you describe at a National Open. I don't know the answer,
but I'm not sure there is a problem. NHRA makes it tougher, racer's get
more creative, what was "GRAY" area, gets missed for a while, NHRA
figures it out, but then realize 40% of the racers are doing it, so it becomes
O.K., and everybody does it=more cost. I think that is where we lose a
lot of racers. Want racers to run it to the finish line, Reward Them.

J.R.

You are no argumentative at all. Just threw that out there to see what some thought. Those numbers are some that we see here early and late in the season at D-2 events periodically. We can and do get those numbers at the early points races here in Florida like the orlando race or the baby gators.