2011 ahfs

[RJ Sledge]

Seems that just a year or two ago, NHRA had a complete breakdown of all runs and had them in office by Monday following all the races that were finished during the weekend.
What happened to their information gathering system ?? I thought some people from NHRA and Nitro Joe compiled all this and then it was used to calucate any and all instant hits, averages to be decided and index changes from Comp, SS and S.
Wonder what happened and why? It seems that the info gathering (or lack of) by NHRA has really slowed down. Anybody know for sure?


RJ

[Dave Ficacci]

Originally Posted by Kent Hanley

MIke F. fyi,i beleive your Dads and brothers cars would of been included in that because of Gary Richards run at the Dutch because all the 396 would of been hit. I also think all the 427 would of been hit as well.

Just and fyi and what i saw.

Kent

Kent, Why would ALL the 396s be hit? Gary runs a steel head at 399, I run an aluminum head at 405, and my dad is aluminum head stick at 400. 3 different combinations.

[Jeff Teuton]

My mistake. I was at one computer trying to remember what is in another computer. I think Kent has the right numbers. 232 in stock @ 1.10 under and 689 @ 1.00 under. I will look at SS after lunch.

[Ed Wright]

I would be interested to know where these numbers came from? All this year under the new indexes? Where were they found that Travis couldn't find them?

[Travis Miller]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

My mistake. I was at one computer trying to remember what is in another computer. I think Kent has the right numbers. 232 in stock @ 1.10 under and 689 @ 1.00 under. I will look at SS after lunch.

No problem Jeff. We all make mistakes.

So you say 232 @ 1.10 under. Okay we will go with that number. Still 232 @ 1.10 under is the same as 232 @ 1.40 under before the .3 was removed. If that is the case, why would anyone on a committee want to protect cars that would have hit the old automatic trigger when it was 1.40 under? Again I say the old 1.40 under was a number that everyone liked, except those who actually could go 1.40 under. But that means they would now only be safe down to 1.10 under. I wonder who is approaching the 1.10under number? You don't suppose....could it be...? WOW! The 1.20 under number suddenly looks safer than 1.10 under.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

[MikeFicacci]

Gary's run at the Dutch was wicked fast. I think its safe to say that the steel heads make similar power to the aluminum if not more. That run was 1.122 under the index in some pretty serious air. I think the concept is pretty simple. Gary would probably not have run out the back door if the hit was 1.10 or 1.15 but a heads-up race is a different story. People seem to think that this is all about the new cars. Absolutely not true. The AHFS problem was simply magnified by these new cars. Should a 2002 Corvette LS1 be rated at 330 or 340 when the Camaro is at 370 (or whatever it is)? Should the LS1 with a stick be as low as they are? On the other side, should the Hemi still be as high as it is due to the Henson's run? Absolutely not.

Of course there is no perfect system for factoring all the cars but I think everyone can agree that the system is broken. A 5.7 Drag Pak with a stick in H is probably a 10.40 if not 10.30 race car. Should the sticks and autos be factored together? Maybe, maybe not.

Kent, as you know I have not been doing this very long but have been around it for a little while. You seem to be implying that I wouldn't want horsepower for my brothers' and fathers car but ya know what? If they are completely out of line from everyone else, they need horsepower. We don't want to win because we have some advantage on paper. We also don't want to lose for the same reason either. I remember when Gallina just about went as fast as he wanted in H/SA with the turbo Firebird. We can all agree the new cars need some hits but there are definitely some old (1960 to 2004) cars that need some horsepower also. Making the automatic hit realistic will hopefully bring some things in line.

Obviously NHRA is not going to hire staff to accomplish everything we want. At minimum, how about an open hood policy in the staging lanes? How about making a few guys that are running stupid fast pull a valve cover or pull the carb? Pulling a valve cover takes all of 3 minutes.

I see that people are against combining classes and I understand the reasoning. How about putting sticks and autos together? Especially now with the Pro-Trans and other lightweight pieces, the cars are pretty close for the most part. At any given time we campaign 3 stick cars and 2 auto cars so I hope people feel that I am being objective about it.

What about factored tracks? As the system works now you can't get horsepower but get to steal the national record from someone who had to find traction on a 10 degree track twice in a row? Is that fair?

I refuse to believe that NHRA can't find someone who cares about class racing to make a decision that is as fair as possible without the big wigs getting involved. I'm sure Travis or someone else would be happy to do it.

[Jeff Teuton]

SS 111 @ 1.10 under, 399 @ 1.00 under. Having trouble with this wireless internet today. Lots of bad weather. Will post more later with observations.

[Andys dad]

OK

I have said it before as Travis just said - if you can run 1.10 under YOU NEED horsepower added

Protect it or loose it - it is the way it has always been

My goodness what selfish peolple we have with the older combos

Its Ok for them to be able to go fast just not anyody else

GGEEZZEE

OK - back to the Alabama Auburn game


:-) peace

[Ed Wright]

Jeff, this is all this year off the new indexes? Where did you get those numbers?

[fredjohnston]

Jeff, Where is this list you are using to come up with these numbers? Simply copy and paste the runs here for all to see. Kent you should have this too. If you guys are our representatives, we racers should be able to see this information.