2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by John Lang

Mr Dedman....You have been beating this First Red thing for a long ,long time ! Give it a rest ! Most racers, including myself think that the way it is now is just fine ! I've been doing this silly hobby (that I still love) since 1956, and it's still the closest thing to SEX you can get with your clothes on ! Yes at my age ! Go out and race and have a good time !........John

I'll side with Dedman !! .....even tho' he hates me..........
You have NO logical reason NOT to change it, NONE !!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

"There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE,"

Like the guy who races nothing but brackets constantly telling the people racing class they should change their rules because he feels they're not fair?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Like the guy who races nothing but brackets constantly telling the people racing class they should change their rules because he feels they're not fair?

define IRONY, lol

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Like the guy who races nothing but brackets constantly telling the people racing class they should change their rules because he feels they're not fair?

"Rules"??? The only rule I have EVER addressed on this forum is this one... because I don't see any problem with the rest of them, except for the pathetic AHFS, and that's going to take a LOT of re-do before it's workable. This redlight business is an easy fix.

Tell me this, Alan: What are the differences in Stock Eliminator starting line procedures and Bracket racing starting line procedures relative to red lights. Particularly, the ones that are relative to this discussion... you know, the ones that would disqualify my opinon about this subject. Tell me... please.

You do realize, don't you, that Ken set this particular board up for people like me, who may not currently have a Class car, but still have an interest in how things are done, and want to contribute to the discussion.

John Lang said it best: Let's just have fun! But, I can have a lot more fun if the rules are fair... and, they're not for the first car to leave, if he redlights.

No free rides!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

"Rules"??? The only rule I have EVER addressed on this forum is this one... because I don't see any problem with the rest of them, except for the pathetic AHFS, and that's going to take a LOT of re-do before it's workable. This redlight business is an easy fix.

Tell me this, Alan: What are the differences in Stock Eliminator starting line procedures and Bracket racing starting line procedures relative to red lights? Particularly, the ones that are relative to this discussion... you know, the ones that would disqualify my opinon about this subject. Tell me... please.

You do realize, don't you, that Ken set this particular board up for people like me, who may not currently have a Class car, but still have an interest in how things are done, and want to contribute to the discussion.

John Lang said it best: Let's just have fun! But, I can have a lot more fun if the rules are fair... and, they're not fair for the first car to leave, if he redlights.

No free rides!

What makes you think that you have to be the conscience for a race series you aren't even a participant in?If you want a worse red light rule spend the energy you are wasting here on an email avalanche to NHRA in Cal. to change the rule in BRACKET RACING which you say you are active in.BTW just how many races do you do in a season?
And the other interloper agreeing with you (Mr Tightwad) isn't an active S/SS racer either.
Does he even race/attend any races?
Non participants aren't needed to shape the rules that WE race under.I couldn't put it any simpler.

[Ed Wright]

Bill, do you really think all this carrying on is going to change anything? Really? Do you just like to argue? I only have a low ten second car, so most always leave first. I'm fine like it is. I don't remember loosing a race that way anyway. If I do, I should have not gone red. I'm not going to blame somebody else.

[ken robinson]

Any word on after market small bore bigblock chevy yet . Would it be a good idea to start a list of people who would like to purchase them so they can get casted and sold (50 vs 100 blocks etc ) to make it a good deal for the casting company as well as the racer ???? Ken R

[bill dedman]

Ed, if you think this rule as is stands, is fair, why don't you tell me why?

Don't you think that with all the time and money spent on this activity, it would be nice to have a level playing field?

You don't, you know.

Anything else is not fair.

This bulletin board exists for people like me, to post their opinions, and that is what I have done This is just my opinion. If you disgree, you could at least tell me what is wrong with mine. You'd rather tell me what you think is wrong with ME... which is not the subject at all.

When something is so blatantly unfair a first redlight rule, it's really hard to justify keeping it. Reasons to do so are few and far between. In fact, with all the notes you have sent me on this subject, I have never read a good reason to keep such an unfair rule.

Now's your chance: What are your reasons (or, reason) to keep a rule that screws virtually half the peope who race under it?

Tell me.... please, why you think everyone should not have the same chance to redlight in EVERY race.

Since I don't race a class-legal car, you seem to think I should have NO OPINION on it, but as NHRA goes, so goes the rest of the race tracks, procedurally. That means while you're getting screwed with your class car, I'm ALSO getting screwed by this rule in my Bracket car. I want it changed because there's just no reason NOT to.

BTW, both of my race cars are "new" and are in the shakedown phase; one is suprcharged V8, and one is an inline six with a turbo. LOTS of "shakedown."

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by ken robinson

Any word on after market small bore bigblock chevy yet . Would it be a good idea to start a list of people who would like to purchase them so they can get casted and sold (50 vs 100 blocks etc ) to make it a good deal for the casting company as well as the racer ???? Ken R

The list is here, on page 89.

http://www.nhra.com/userfiles/file/N...roducts-13.pdf

And Dart, the accepted manufacturer, rarely, if ever, offers deals.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill, do you really think all this carrying on is going to change anything? Really? Do you just like to argue? I only have a low ten second car, so most always leave first. I'm fine like it is. I don't remember loosing a race that way anyway. If I do, I should have not gone red. I'm not going to blame somebody else.

Ed. you have your opinion; I have mine. No, I don't think this will ever change, partly because of people like you, who are satisfied with the lopsided nature of this situation.

I'd like the guy in the other lane to have the same opportunity to redlight that I did. If I redlight first, he has no such opportunity. This gives him a free ride to the next round.
If you're the first car to leave, you'll face this jeopardy and fall victim to it more often than your quicker opponent.

What's fair about that?

Tell me...

I'll bet you can't.... because it's NOT fair. Nor is it necessary, in 2010. The couldn't fix it in 1963 when they fixed the first to breakout rule, but they can, now.

Why not do it???