Econo Modified - Page 22

Mike Taylor 3601 · 01-21-2014, 08:48 AM

I think .700 -.750 would be plenty of lift,
Randy
Thanks for offer to use engine,I appreciate that,if this can get rolling might have to take you up on your offer.
Dick,
Sounds like you got some good feedback
Mike Taylor 3601

ss wannabee · 01-21-2014, 10:25 AM

Think .700 would be better...in terms of keeping costs down...LESS spring required...
and a few bucks saved there. Maybe LESS parts needed...to keep the geometry
correct?

Would .050" lift matter that much anyway...in terms of performance?

ss wannabee · 01-21-2014, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ss wannabee

Think .700 would be better...in terms of keeping costs down...LESS spring required...
and a few bucks saved there. Maybe LESS parts needed...to keep the geometry
correct?

Would .050" lift matter that much anyway...in terms of performance?

One thing that we should try to remember is we're not trying to "push" the envelope
here...we're trying to get MORE "players" on the field.....

At least that's the way I read what's been suggested...

Keep in mind the current economy....let's "bring em out" guys!

randy wilson · 01-21-2014, 01:39 PM

.700 seems like a good, stable, performance oriented number. And would make valve spring up keep simpler. The guys at inside comp are proposing a similar class, but wanting to allow ANY mod to certain heads. I believe that brings us back to square one. I know for a fact you can wrap up $10,000 in a quality iron head, so that's my point.

Todd Bailey · 01-21-2014, 05:45 PM

Spec head. Stay the course.

randy wilson · 01-21-2014, 06:26 PM

Oh I will stay the course. If I wanted to run a comp any mod cylinder head class. I'd already be doing it. If they go any mods to the heads, they can count me, and several others out. Never in history have we had the opportunity to showcase all 3 big auto manufacturers as we can with the Brodix spec head. And with today's technology, we can spot minute changes that would make the head illegal. Talk about a true level playing field, this is it.

Dick Butler · 01-22-2014, 12:26 AM

That friends will be the basis of a fun cheap class for all makes to compete with a level field. Brodix Basic Heads. Next issue is Pistons, and I like flat top with spec deck ht. Is there a cc for the chambers Randy? or ?Anything goes with Angle mill?

randy wilson · 01-22-2014, 06:26 AM

We never specified CC. We could only get in the high 50 range, and you'd have to cheat, and weld them up to gain an advantage. That, my friends, would be caught immediately by Brodix on inspection. We did everything we could to keep tear down easy. The threat, and availability of a Brodix inspection kept them under control.

Dick Butler · 01-28-2014, 12:48 AM

I see the responses on Inside Comp racing, but not much here in the Mod and comp section.
Maybe the COLD weather has everyone concentrating on survival instead of dreaming about how nice the summer will be and how soon it will arrive.... and getting their stuff freshened or modified.

randy wilson · 01-28-2014, 10:00 AM

Dick. Here's what I see happening, and not happening in the future. What's nort happening, is Econo Mod getting drafted into Comp. What will happen in the next two years is one, or several sanctioning bodies will give it a shot. The reason I feel that way is because several Comp, and Super Stock guys think it's the path to take for a lot of new interest. Just hope I ain't in the nursing home before it gets going. I do believe first it will start at a local track. Then? Well, we'll see.

01-21-2014, 08:48 AM	#211
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,370 Likes: 350 Liked 301 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I think .700 -.750 would be plenty of lift, Randy Thanks for offer to use engine,I appreciate that,if this can get rolling might have to take you up on your offer. Dick, Sounds like you got some good feedback Mike Taylor 3601

01-21-2014, 10:25 AM	#212
ss wannabee Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 663 Likes: 0 Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Think .700 would be better...in terms of keeping costs down...LESS spring required... and a few bucks saved there. Maybe LESS parts needed...to keep the geometry correct? Would .050" lift matter that much anyway...in terms of performance?

01-21-2014, 01:39 PM	#214
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified .700 seems like a good, stable, performance oriented number. And would make valve spring up keep simpler. The guys at inside comp are proposing a similar class, but wanting to allow ANY mod to certain heads. I believe that brings us back to square one. I know for a fact you can wrap up $10,000 in a quality iron head, so that's my point. __________________ don,t have one

01-21-2014, 05:45 PM	#215
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 311 Likes: 29 Liked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Spec head. Stay the course.

01-21-2014, 06:26 PM	#216
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Oh I will stay the course. If I wanted to run a comp any mod cylinder head class. I'd already be doing it. If they go any mods to the heads, they can count me, and several others out. Never in history have we had the opportunity to showcase all 3 big auto manufacturers as we can with the Brodix spec head. And with today's technology, we can spot minute changes that would make the head illegal. Talk about a true level playing field, this is it. __________________ don,t have one

01-22-2014, 12:26 AM	#217
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Econo Modified That friends will be the basis of a fun cheap class for all makes to compete with a level field. Brodix Basic Heads. Next issue is Pistons, and I like flat top with spec deck ht. Is there a cc for the chambers Randy? or ?Anything goes with Angle mill?

01-22-2014, 06:26 AM	#218
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified We never specified CC. We could only get in the high 50 range, and you'd have to cheat, and weld them up to gain an advantage. That, my friends, would be caught immediately by Brodix on inspection. We did everything we could to keep tear down easy. The threat, and availability of a Brodix inspection kept them under control. __________________ don,t have one

01-28-2014, 12:48 AM	#219
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I see the responses on Inside Comp racing, but not much here in the Mod and comp section. Maybe the COLD weather has everyone concentrating on survival instead of dreaming about how nice the summer will be and how soon it will arrive.... and getting their stuff freshened or modified.

01-28-2014, 10:00 AM	#220
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Dick. Here's what I see happening, and not happening in the future. What's nort happening, is Econo Mod getting drafted into Comp. What will happen in the next two years is one, or several sanctioning bodies will give it a shot. The reason I feel that way is because several Comp, and Super Stock guys think it's the path to take for a lot of new interest. Just hope I ain't in the nursing home before it gets going. I do believe first it will start at a local track. Then? Well, we'll see. __________________ don,t have one